White House threatens to veto anti-EV bill just passed by US House::The bill would prevent the EPA from enforcing tougher new pollution standards.
White House threatens to veto anti-EV bill just passed by US House::The bill would prevent the EPA from enforcing tougher new pollution standards.
Where the Orange have i heard talk like that before?
What’s the maintenance costs for 15 years in an ICE vehicle vs electric? Now add in the savings from not having to pay $5.00+ a gallon(it will go up)? I’d also argue that more than half of drivers do not need to drive over 300 miles a day.
My maintenance costs per year would be about $200 not counting tires. But I do all my own work and vet my vehicles well before purchasing them. Most people’s would be higher, though, since most don’t do their own work.
But in comparison to all electrics, the savings aren’t as much as you’re thinking. There’s still a huge load of things that can/will break down on an electric. Shocks, struts, wheel bearings moreso than an ice vehicle.
To give an example, I’ll use the 3rd most sold all electric of last year; the mustang mach-e. I’m skipping the first two because they’re teslas and absolutely ridiculous in high prices to get parts for.
I’ll start things off with the worst one.
So the battery itself (I’m looking these up as I go) is a holy shit $23,000 just for the part itself and only has a 100,000 mile warranty that it will have at least 70% capacity from when you buy the vehicle new. Wow, would that absolutely suck. You can buy new ice engines and have them installed for you for under $10,000. Way under in many cases.
Looks like the electric motor itself is around $4,000 if you got the all wheel drive version you have two of these to worry about. Then theres the inverters for the motors. Those are $1,700 a piece. I’m not traking down prices for the rest of this stuff. You get the idea.
You still have a single gear transmission to worry about that needs fluid changes.
Also antifreeze and a pump.
Brakes and brake fluid
Calipers
Several different control modules
Sensors
Etc etc.
Basically your maintenance free stuff that you don’t have to do to an electric you do have to mess with on an ice consists of plugs, ignition coils, serpentine belt, oil, injectors, fuel pump, and a timing belt if you got a vehicle with a belt and not a chain, throttle body, air filter and a few sensors. Aside from the oil and air filter, most of that stuff are things that need addressed every 80,000 miles or if they break.
That’s close to about it on what you no longer need to mess with. An electrics transmission should almost never break down so long as it’s fluid gets changed, at least. They’re quite simple bits.
So most “maintenance” and upkeep still exists for electrics. You just don’t have to spend 30 minutes changing oil every 4 to 8 thousand miles. There’s also a lot of extra that can break and cost a lot to fix on an electric. Then other things that break faster.
While most of your big ticket items like the electric motors and the inverters are left to a chance at going out, just like a chance of an ice blowing a rod out. It’s an absolute fact that your evs battery will die and that every single month that goes along you’ll get less and less capacity.
You want to save the environment? Instead of being forced to spend thousands more on an electric vehicle, buying a small ice vehicle and taking the $10k you saved and installing solar panels to your houses roof will do more.
The prices to those parts don’t seem that absurd especially given how the EV maintenance and parts market is still fairly new.?
Nope, all moronic attempts at making a fairly robust assembly look shaky and expensive. Shame on you colonSloth.
We engineers always use a factor of safety in our design work, so your talk about inverters (which you obviously don’t understand), motors (also don’t understand it’s reliability)… You’re basically listing a parts list for the mach-e from most to least expensive parts.
If/when a battery assembly wears out to needing replacement, most of everything else should still be working fine. You may need to replace the fluid pump, brakes, maybe even a wheel bearing. Throwing words in like “control modules” as though they fail frequently is as big a joke as you are.
Answer this, knucklehead: when you visit a factory, with many many pumps and moving machinery, operating 24/7 365, are they using a combustion engine as the prime mover for all this equipment, where reliability is Paramount?
Probably significantly less than the cost to maintain roads because now every vehicle would be significantly heavier. Oh and bridges!
The US could compensate by people driving less of the unnecessarily large vehicles.
Look large pickups and SUVs have a function, but driving a 2 ton vehicle to and from the office by yourself is not a green choice.
Make road taxes based on weight.
In terms of EVs I would love a solution for the range. I drive relatively small commute and if there was a way to leave 2/3 of the batteries in my garage and only install them when I want to visit grandma it would be great and save a lot of weight.
Yeah, that will never happen.
I’m 100% on board with this. But we’ll never see it happen. And regardless, in this context that means that ICE vehicles on average would be taxed less. Proves the point that there is an additional cost that people don’t actually ever acknowledge with BEVs.
Then you’d be paying much higher taxes for something you’re not actually leveraging. Normal people will basically never do this.
Well flat vehicle taxing based on weight, ICE engines are taxed additionally by tax on fuel. Not all taxation needs to/should happen in a single space.
If the US raises gas prices the desire to drive gas guzzling pickups and SUVs will automatically lower (I hope).
And about paying taxes for something im not leveraging… depending on the tax burden and possible energy saving based on reduced weight I don’t know. It might just be fully impractical as a system that allows for easy swap in and out of batteries might add so much weight and complexity it makes the whole exercise pointless anyway.
I’m mostly just hoping on improvements in battery tech in general. That aging EVs can be equipped with newer batteries with higher power density.
Considering that the point of gas taxes ARE to obtain funding to repair roads… Transitioning to weight/travelled distance based registration taxes would mean that you want to double tax ICE vehicles to obtain those funds. That would be a bit silly to do…
… bridges? The things over engineered to be able to support more weight for longer periods of time than they are required to?
I think they’ll be just fine. 🤦🏻♂️
https://infrastructurereportcard.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Bridges-2021.pdf
We’re not doing good in maintaining them already… Now you want to increase weight load on all of them 30-100%…
Our bridges are not in good shape in the USA.
But sure, let’s live in your delusion! That will only lead to success! Totally won’t lead to people dying avoidable deaths.
The majority of EVs weigh less than quite a few SUV and pickup ICE vechiles driving around today. If this is such a concern, why isn’t the whistle also being blown about these vehicles?
People are not replacing their ICE SUVs with BEV sedans… And ICE sedan vs a BEV sedan is 30-100% heavier. I would presume the same would happen to SUVs as well. And sure enough we can look!
Volvo makes a car that’s effectively the same, but one electric and the other gas. The EX90 and the XC90
EX90 - 6213 lbs
XC90 - 4522 lbs.
Gee golly! Dead on what I stated.
Ford F150 lightning! ~6,500 lbs
F-150 XLT SuperCrew w/ 4wd? 4,705 lbs.
Because we’ve been ignoring this problem for decades and nobody actually listens to people who talk about actual problems in this country. Also, because people like you don’t care to read articles like the one I linked above.
Increasing weight will be a multiplicative amount of damage that it does to the roads/bridges. A 30% increase in weight may be something like a 2-3x amount of wear that it causes on a road. It’s well known that trucks and SUVs do probably about double(if not more) the damage to roads as sedans (https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage-do-heavy-trucks-do-our-roads and https://www.profitgreenly.com/p/road-damage-fees-and-profit). Car companies aren’t going to tell you that this is happening… They would sell less cars then. Government has been telling you for decades… you ignore them now. Or worse, your local government doesn’t give a shit and spends the money like morons anyway.
I’ve been reading these articles for decades now… and every news org has covered it at some point probably many times over the years. examples:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/17/why-us-bridges-are-in-such-bad-shape.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/29/thousands-of-us-bridges-in-poor-condition-as-pace-of-repair-slows-report.html
And I could find more… but google has become really bad over the years at finding “historic” web pages.