This only makes sense when I realize that to conservatives, it’s an identity. They think it’s an identity that Taylor Swift should have because she’s (presumably) white, popular, rich, good looking, Midwestern, Christian, etc.

To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or problem solving, or good governance. It’s all about identity.

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    To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or good governance. It’s all about identity.

    Oh my god, I am stunned by the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness here. So you think the right is obsessed with identity? Get the fuck out of here. I’ve seen the contempt the left has for any conservative minority. They feel entitled to black or female votes.

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      The “left identity” is wanting everyone to have healthcare and education to struggle less. The “right identity” is quite loudly screaming about hurting the people they don’t like.

      “The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.”

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        There is no paradox. Tolerance is a social contract which includes the tolerant. If someone is intolerant, they break the contract and are therefore not included in it.

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                Usually ‘tolerance’ is very poorly defined. Someone saying some vile shit? Time to physically attack them. So one intolerance is thought or speech, but the resulting intolerance is violence.

                In some cases that’s fine, but people seem to think just saying “paradox of tolerance” is a tool that lets them strip others of their humanity without engaging in any actual ethical or philosophical discussion.

                It’s words on the internet, though, so it’s not like most people will have a chance to actually test their poorly considered position, but they do end up saying some vile shit in defense of others at times.

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                  I think you’re missing the point.

                  When someone is outwardly hateful toward others for things outside of their control (race, gender, ability), that’s generally viewed as intolerance.

                  Tolerance, is me recognizing you have the right to believe whatever you want, and letting you do so, as long as you’re not obstructing anyone else’s right to do the same.

                  The paradox is basically saying a negative reaction to a hateful behavior, is not itself hateful. Identity politics doesn’t agree, and makes those who identify as hateful (knowingly or not), feel hated.

                  Violence is a further escalation of things that the concept of tolerance inherently tries to avoid.

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                    My comment very specifically addresses people that use the paradox to defend escalation.

                    I don’t think your interpretation is faulty in that way.

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      They feel entitled to black or female votes.

      Lol, this reductionist shit is dumb no matter who does it. Fastest or not. Though then them fastests really fucking love it.

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      Not entitled, just surprised when people vote for anyone who openly hates them and wants to take away their rights.

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        When a lot of people that like that certain people are getting hurt and also don’t believe they won’t become the targets later.