That’s precisely my point. Tell Lemmy you’re a leftist but not vegan? They’ll call you a murderer. Tell them you’re a leftist but not an anarcho-communist? Yeah I’ll bet you love capitalism and the human suffering it causes, you Chauvinist pig! Tell them you’re a liberal? You’re practically a Nazi collaborator! (All things I have actually heard Lemmings say.) But tell them you’re a conservative and they leave you alone.
No matter what I do, I will never be leftist enough for people to be satisfied. The further left I let myself get pushed, the more vitriol I get for not being even lefter. Apparently suggesting people vote for Kamala Harris to prevent a Trump victory makes me a genocide enabler. On top of that, if I make even one step backward, much like Mozilla deciding they don’t have the resources to moderate an entire Mastodon instance on top of everything else they do, I might as well have joined the enemy. But if I stop agreeing with them at all, suddenly I’m not worth harassing. It’s enough to push a boy right, it really is.
I want to be a good person. I do. But if my choices are don’t do that or be seen in public agreeing with leftists, especially if leftists are in earshot… it’s a tougher call than I’d hoped.
The more I advocate for unions, the more I volunteer at food banks, the more I encourage people to look into things like alternative voting systems that could break us out of the two-party system, the more I look like a juicy recruit to radical leftists, and the more criticism I get for not destroying everything in my path in pursuit of an anarcho-communist utopia in which personal belongings are a distant memory and vigilante justice reigns supreme. I still hold left-leaning values, but that “utopia” is something I will fight tooth and nail against. Leftists as an organization (a leaderless organization, but an organization all the same) have made it clear that if I’m not 110% for them, I’m against them, and that the way to not be harassed is to not act like I’m for them but partway.
I’m still going to volunteer at homeless shelters and pick up trash on the side of the road and secretly try to start a union at any store I work at, I’m still going to look for the most progressive candidate I can in every local and general election. I’m gay myself and apart from the annual potluck, I’ve never stepped foot in a church in the last five years, but if a leftist asks, I’m a devout Catholic, I think being gay is sinful, and I voted for Trump. Maybe then they’ll stop calling me a Nazi.
anarcho-communist utopia in which personal belongings are a distant memory and vigilante justice reigns supreme
Literally nobody, not even anarchocommunists, like me, want personal belongings to not be a thing. Marxism 101 includes a section on personal vs private property, the notion of wanting to abolish private property is not with the modern understanding of private property, marx made the clear distinction between private and personal property, and it’s quite simple, personal property is stuff that you own, private property is stuff that generates capital.
I don’t get why people keep thinking anyone would believe something this stupid, like do you actually think we’re going to take your toothbrushes?
but that “utopia” is something I will fight tooth and nail against
You clearly don’t even know what you’re fighting against. That’s probably why you get made fun of in socialist circles. Read theory, all you have is a clear strawman and whining that people make fun of you.
I’m a devout Catholic, I think being gay is sinful, and I voted for Trump. Maybe then they’ll stop calling me a Nazi.
Do you actually think we’re going to take your toothbrushes?
Not in the sense that they’ll all be confiscated, but in the sense that multiple anarcho-communists have told me that under their utopia, theft will not be a crime. Obviously, if someone stole something, they must have needed it more than you. They’ve also told me that under anarcho-communism, there will be no state, thus no laws, thus no justice system. If you are wronged, your only recourse is vigilantism – a point I can’t help but notice you quoted but conveniently glossed over. Almost like you’re trying to make a strawman or something. But I digress. Vigilantism doesn’t work (I’d be happy to explain why if you have trouble with that as well) and I’m still waiting to hear a single anarcho-communist propose an alternative.
This is you proving the point made in the comic.
That is you proving you did not read any part of my comment except the last two sentences. Does leftism only count if I do it in public? Does saying I voted for Trump to get people whose definition of conservative is “anyone right of Ursula K. LeGuin” to stop treating me like a soul who needs saving make me a bigot despite my actions to the contrary?
Not in the sense that they’ll all be confiscated, but in the sense that multiple anarcho-communists have told me that under their utopia, theft will not be a crime.
source: dude just trust me
They were probably saying there will be no reason to steal because resources will be plentiful, not that you can just take other peoples stuff and it’s fine.
They’ve also told me that under anarcho-communism, there will be no state, thus no laws, thus no justice system.
no they didn’t, a state is just a monopoly on violence in a given region, there will still be law and order through democracy and consensus, it’ll just be horizontally handled by the community.
If you are wronged, your only recourse is vigilantism – a point I can’t help but notice you quoted but conveniently glossed over
this is just nonsense, we just believe these things would be handled communally, not by authority, but by democracy. it got glossed over because it’s just as much nonsense as the toothbrush thing.
But I digress. Vigilantism doesn’t work (I’d be happy to explain why if you have trouble with that as well) and I’m still waiting to hear a single anarcho-communist propose an alternative.
democratically run courts with rotations, honestly there are hundreds of ideas, google it. Nobodies idea is what you’re saying, it’s just a strawman.
Does leftism only count if I do it in public?
No but it means if you do it wrong you’ll get made fun of. You’ve clearly never even read a single book on anarchism and have strong opinions about it.
If your opinions are based on complete nonsense strawmen, that explains why you keep getting made fun of.
The point of the comic is that absolute buffoons say they’re getting bullied and that’s the reason they’re getting pushed right, like you. It has no basis in reality, people are just criticizing things they should criticize, and since you don’t bother to do the necessary reading to understand why people are criticizing you, you just go “the left is mean wahhh”
The fact that your arguments are covered in socialism101 courses shows that you’ve never even bothered to make an attempt. Do you actually think socialists are so dumb that they never thought of these arguments? Do you actually think marx or kropotkin never came up with “but what if someone murders someone” on their own?
But that’s besides the point. What I want is to be left alone. I want to get on with my life without someone demanding to know whether I believe Israel should exist or not, because both sides in that conflict are committing war crimes and the idea of reading seventeen Wikipedia pages about the historical conflict of those two countries so that I can choose which side to support and more effectively defend myself in Internet arguments I never asked to have doesn’t really appeal. I want to be able to not fully commit to being vegan quite yet without someone helpfully telling me I’m a murderer. I want to look at memes without somehow getting into a discussion about economic systems. Most of all I want to be able to want that without being called a fascist.
The ideas leftists present are good ideas. But I would like there to be a space I can go every now and again where I don’t have to think about them.
Based on my conversations with other self-proclaimed anarcho-communists in this very same thread[1], and that exchange mirroring the experience of every other anarcho-communist I’ve talked to on Lemmy apart from you, yeah, I kinda did.
he’s obviously trolling you.
But that’s besides the point. What I want is to be left alone. I want to get on with my life without someone demanding to know whether I believe Israel should exist or not, because both sides in that conflict are committing war crimes and the idea of reading seventeen Wikipedia pages about the historical conflict of those two countries so that I can choose which side to support and more effectively defend myself in Internet arguments I never asked to have doesn’t really appeal.
then don’t post your poorly researched opinions online.
I want to be able to not fully commit to being vegan quite yet without someone helpfully telling me I’m a murderer
What so you want them to lie to you so that your feelings won’t be hurt and so you can pretend you’re a perfect person?
I eat meat, i know it’s murder, it’s completely a wrong thing that I just enjoy and do. If someone calls me a murderer for it, they’re right, but I simply move on with my day. Do you actually believe you aren’t doing anything wrong and shouldn’t be called on it when you do something wrong? You are. Accept it and move on with your life. Eating meat is unethical, everyone knows it who isn’t delusional. Everyone does unethical things, whatever. Are you really so coddled that you can’t take the fact that you’re doing something unethical when you eat meat? You are.
I want to look at memes without somehow getting into a discussion about economic systems. Most of all I want to be able to want that without being called a fascist.
Then don’t whine about politics in threads.
The ideas leftists present are good ideas. But I would like there to be a space I can go every now and again where I don’t have to think about them.
boohoo, politics encompasses everything, you’re in a thread about politics… posting about politics… the fediverse is a political idea, mozilla is a company, it’s all politics. The world doesn’t revolve around your feelings. You literally brought this on yourself, completely.
That’s precisely my point. Tell Lemmy you’re a leftist but not vegan? They’ll call you a murderer. Tell them you’re a leftist but not an anarcho-communist? Yeah I’ll bet you love capitalism and the human suffering it causes, you Chauvinist pig! Tell them you’re a liberal? You’re practically a Nazi collaborator! (All things I have actually heard Lemmings say.) But tell them you’re a conservative and they leave you alone.
No matter what I do, I will never be leftist enough for people to be satisfied. The further left I let myself get pushed, the more vitriol I get for not being even lefter. Apparently suggesting people vote for Kamala Harris to prevent a Trump victory makes me a genocide enabler. On top of that, if I make even one step backward, much like Mozilla deciding they don’t have the resources to moderate an entire Mastodon instance on top of everything else they do, I might as well have joined the enemy. But if I stop agreeing with them at all, suddenly I’m not worth harassing. It’s enough to push a boy right, it really is.
I want to be a good person. I do. But if my choices are don’t do that or be seen in public agreeing with leftists, especially if leftists are in earshot… it’s a tougher call than I’d hoped.
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/44877769
You know what, no, I will anyway.
The more I advocate for unions, the more I volunteer at food banks, the more I encourage people to look into things like alternative voting systems that could break us out of the two-party system, the more I look like a juicy recruit to radical leftists, and the more criticism I get for not destroying everything in my path in pursuit of an anarcho-communist utopia in which personal belongings are a distant memory and vigilante justice reigns supreme. I still hold left-leaning values, but that “utopia” is something I will fight tooth and nail against. Leftists as an organization (a leaderless organization, but an organization all the same) have made it clear that if I’m not 110% for them, I’m against them, and that the way to not be harassed is to not act like I’m for them but partway.
I’m still going to volunteer at homeless shelters and pick up trash on the side of the road and secretly try to start a union at any store I work at, I’m still going to look for the most progressive candidate I can in every local and general election. I’m gay myself and apart from the annual potluck, I’ve never stepped foot in a church in the last five years, but if a leftist asks, I’m a devout Catholic, I think being gay is sinful, and I voted for Trump. Maybe then they’ll stop calling me a Nazi.
Literally nobody, not even anarchocommunists, like me, want personal belongings to not be a thing. Marxism 101 includes a section on personal vs private property, the notion of wanting to abolish private property is not with the modern understanding of private property, marx made the clear distinction between private and personal property, and it’s quite simple, personal property is stuff that you own, private property is stuff that generates capital.
I don’t get why people keep thinking anyone would believe something this stupid, like do you actually think we’re going to take your toothbrushes?
You clearly don’t even know what you’re fighting against. That’s probably why you get made fun of in socialist circles. Read theory, all you have is a clear strawman and whining that people make fun of you.
This is you proving the point made by the comic.
Not in the sense that they’ll all be confiscated, but in the sense that multiple anarcho-communists have told me that under their utopia, theft will not be a crime. Obviously, if someone stole something, they must have needed it more than you. They’ve also told me that under anarcho-communism, there will be no state, thus no laws, thus no justice system. If you are wronged, your only recourse is vigilantism – a point I can’t help but notice you quoted but conveniently glossed over. Almost like you’re trying to make a strawman or something. But I digress. Vigilantism doesn’t work (I’d be happy to explain why if you have trouble with that as well) and I’m still waiting to hear a single anarcho-communist propose an alternative.
That is you proving you did not read any part of my comment except the last two sentences. Does leftism only count if I do it in public? Does saying I voted for Trump to get people whose definition of conservative is “anyone right of Ursula K. LeGuin” to stop treating me like a soul who needs saving make me a bigot despite my actions to the contrary?
source: dude just trust me
They were probably saying there will be no reason to steal because resources will be plentiful, not that you can just take other peoples stuff and it’s fine.
no they didn’t, a state is just a monopoly on violence in a given region, there will still be law and order through democracy and consensus, it’ll just be horizontally handled by the community.
this is just nonsense, we just believe these things would be handled communally, not by authority, but by democracy. it got glossed over because it’s just as much nonsense as the toothbrush thing.
democratically run courts with rotations, honestly there are hundreds of ideas, google it. Nobodies idea is what you’re saying, it’s just a strawman.
No but it means if you do it wrong you’ll get made fun of. You’ve clearly never even read a single book on anarchism and have strong opinions about it.
If your opinions are based on complete nonsense strawmen, that explains why you keep getting made fun of.
The point of the comic is that absolute buffoons say they’re getting bullied and that’s the reason they’re getting pushed right, like you. It has no basis in reality, people are just criticizing things they should criticize, and since you don’t bother to do the necessary reading to understand why people are criticizing you, you just go “the left is mean wahhh”
The fact that your arguments are covered in socialism101 courses shows that you’ve never even bothered to make an attempt. Do you actually think socialists are so dumb that they never thought of these arguments? Do you actually think marx or kropotkin never came up with “but what if someone murders someone” on their own?
Based on my conversations with other self-proclaimed anarcho-communists in this very same thread, and that exchange mirroring the experience of every other anarcho-communist I’ve talked to on Lemmy apart from you, yeah, I kinda did.
But that’s besides the point. What I want is to be left alone. I want to get on with my life without someone demanding to know whether I believe Israel should exist or not, because both sides in that conflict are committing war crimes and the idea of reading seventeen Wikipedia pages about the historical conflict of those two countries so that I can choose which side to support and more effectively defend myself in Internet arguments I never asked to have doesn’t really appeal. I want to be able to not fully commit to being vegan quite yet without someone helpfully telling me I’m a murderer. I want to look at memes without somehow getting into a discussion about economic systems. Most of all I want to be able to want that without being called a fascist.
The ideas leftists present are good ideas. But I would like there to be a space I can go every now and again where I don’t have to think about them.
he’s obviously trolling you.
then don’t post your poorly researched opinions online.
What so you want them to lie to you so that your feelings won’t be hurt and so you can pretend you’re a perfect person?
I eat meat, i know it’s murder, it’s completely a wrong thing that I just enjoy and do. If someone calls me a murderer for it, they’re right, but I simply move on with my day. Do you actually believe you aren’t doing anything wrong and shouldn’t be called on it when you do something wrong? You are. Accept it and move on with your life. Eating meat is unethical, everyone knows it who isn’t delusional. Everyone does unethical things, whatever. Are you really so coddled that you can’t take the fact that you’re doing something unethical when you eat meat? You are.
Then don’t whine about politics in threads.
boohoo, politics encompasses everything, you’re in a thread about politics… posting about politics… the fediverse is a political idea, mozilla is a company, it’s all politics. The world doesn’t revolve around your feelings. You literally brought this on yourself, completely.
Thank you for misinterpreting my post and calling me a racist, @Communist. Unfortunately I don’t feel obligated to explain myself to you.
I did not call you racist.
But you’re using the same argument they’re using. I don’t see what I misinterpreted here, it’s literally identical to the comic.