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Andrew Cote (@Andercot)
nitter.netLK-99: The Case for Skepticism
By now there's been a number of replications, videos, pre-prints on arxiv, and at-home or at-work attempts to reproduce the original findings of Lee and Kim.
Here's why I'm increasingly skeptical on LK-99 and my reasoning:
#1 - The Videos
There's been a number of videos produced and circulating the internet showing partial levitation or full levitation, the kind of thing you see in cryogenic superconductors that 'quantum lock' or 'flux pin' and float in mid-air.
The issue with all these videos is that the visual behavior is completely indistinguishable from a diamagnetic.
I was initially under the impression that you could not produce stable levitation from two simple dipoles, according to a time-honored theorem from physics by Earnshaw, and so levitation above a single magnet was 'proof positive'.
However, as it turns out, there is a less well-known exception to this rule called Brauenbecker extension which provides a mathematical proof that levitation is possible with a simple diamagnetic in a dipole field so long as the diamagnetic material mass is very small relative to the strength of the magnetic field.
(Note that there are plenty of videos of a diamagnetic floating above a grid of magnets, but those magnets have a more complicated field than a dipole and so Earnshaw's theorem does not apply. Here is the derivation of Brauenbecker's result for the curious: https://cds.cern.ch/record/535810/files/cm-p00038446.pdf )
The suspicious thing in the levitation of LK-99 videos is that the 'stable equilibrium point' is directly above the center of the magnet. This is what you'd expect via the Brauenbecker derivation - that the only stable point is in the center. A flux-pinned super conductor could levitate in many different orientations including off to the side of the magnet.
Conclusion - the videos do NOT show flux-pinning.
#2 The Simplest Measurements are Missing
By now there have been several replications of the material by laboratories of professional scientists with high quality equipment that yield a high purity of LK-99, higher purity than the original reports by Lee and Kim.
None of these measurements have accomplished the most direct and obvious result of room-temperature superconductivity, which is zero resistance at room-temperature.
Lee and Kim's original paper had badly formatted plots, not the best choice of plot axes, and in general it was overall rushed to arxiv. They reported absolute resistance but not physical dimensions of the sample, and claimed a resistivity in the text of their article that was on the order of a superconductor but it isn't clear where that calculation came from.
Subsequent teams have published results claiming 'zero resistance' but at 110K - which is great, but not that impressive - tons of materials superconduct at very low temperatures and so it is not indicative of much special about LK-99.
Conclusion - Measurements are the proof and they haven't materialized
#3 - Simulations are suggestive and not predictive
Much of my initial enthusiasm came from reading simulations performed by well-respected scientists like @sineatrix at LBNL and others are University of Boulder Colorado and TU Wien - their results didn't rule out LK-99 entirely! I thought this was incredible.
However, this was always tempered by the knowledge that the physical properties as measured by lab equipment would be soon to follow and support the proposed mechanisms of superconductivity as described in the preprints on simulations. Notably those simulation results are also congruent with other more mundane interpretations like magnetism and diamagnetism, as mentioned by the original authors themselves.
Conclusion - Simulations are suggestive but we don't live in a simulation
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Overall Takeaway:
I first wrote about my initial take on the LK-99 publication in this tweet here: https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1684339092635496449?s=20
I expressed a few concerns in that original tweet and so far none of them have been adequately addressed, despite several replication attempts and follow-ups. If this material was the holy grail of materials science then it seems likely at least some of the missing results would have manifested by now.
Summary:
- Videos are explainable by more mundane everyday effects
- Key measurements are missing
- Simulations are nice but we don't live in one.
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As I've said before I'm deferring any real conclusions until the results of Argonne National Lab, but right now my mental model is:
LK-99 is a diamagnetic semiconductor.
This doesn't change my conviction that ambient-pressure room-temperature superconductors can very well be discovered and manufactured at-scale within our lifetimes, and that such a development would be a watershed moment for humanity.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2999441
I’m not plugged into all the hype around lk99, but this person seems to be a nice balance of hype, technical background and eagerness to not be wrong about things.
They seem to make a good and simple case for why the superconductor possibility is slipping away (as far as mostly internet hype based replication attempts go)
Where did you get that?
Everybody is supposed to stfu.
If you have empirical data or substsntive theoretical points, feel free to speak up.
What we have now is massive armies of “skeptics” and “dreamers” screaming and drowning out actual science, welcome to being the problem.
The synthesis is stupid, but this is almost trivial to prove/disprove, they’ll be conclusive in less than a month, science can rarely be that definitive that quickly, but that’s also science working exactly how it should be.
You sitting here screaming “SKEPTICISM!!!” is moronic unless you’re waving a crucible with experimental intent.
If there is 1 massive, epic and fundamental failure with the world today it’s that people who have nothing meaningful to contribute don’t sit down and stfu while useful people do real work.
Where I got it from is your post I commented on.
That was your comment then, or you misread mine, I am constant that we need everybody to squelch their noise holes if they don’t have anything to contribute.
Leave the scientists to figure everything out, we don’t need housewives and marketing execs giving their opinions on charge carrier migration and field effects in strained lattices.