We're allowing non-IRL loli/shota - Lemmy NSFW
lemmynsfw.com
When I opened this site 5 days ago, I could not have guessed that I would post such a post. But here we are. As you know, we did a poll on this topic here [https://lemmynsfw.com/post/26029]. Around 40% of people said to block, the rest said to not to. In such cases, we wanted to make the poll, even though it doesn’t matter. Right now, I’m still currently agreeing with @bobbiguy2122 [https://lemmynsfw.com/u/bobbiguy2122] here [https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/82152]. We are going to let community moderators handle the situation in within limits. So it’s going to be users choice to subscribe to that community or creating new one with his own rules. #### Why not completely block it If we are going to split, there is so many fractions as well. As someone who only likes women and plain porn, I don’t want to ban tentacle, futanari or gay stuff. Because even though they are kinky, they are also a pleasure. Being attracted to petite teens is just like these pleasures, and the vast majority actually like it. I think we should not ban this pleasure just because it is in a dangerous area. #### As a result First of all we will explicitly ban IRL loli images. Although we will allow non-IRL content under moderator control, tho we will control childish content independently of moderators too. We will make this distinction according to images that look and act like children. #### Defederation I see a lot of people are worried about this situation. But I don’t care. Because as you can see, beehaw, one of the largest instances, blocked the other 2 largest instances. This situation is inevitable in NSFW only instances like us. As a result, you must have one main account, where you can access all instances, and one NSFW account, where you can only access NSFW content. For example, I don’t plan to block any instances on this instance, except in extreme cases.

SEE SECOND EDIT DOWN BELOW

Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the “Loli” announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I’m taking it as a backtrack, but it’s still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven’t seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of “whoops bad English” like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

  • blahaj@kbin.social
    24·
    2 years ago

    That is wild, I made an account on there last night so I was curious to find the announcement post. Evidently lots of people are quite outraged. I also noticed as of a few minutes ago a clarification post has been made: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826

    To quote:

    I have so much respect for @yay@lemmynsfw.com but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol.

Here is what’s happening;

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe.

Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful

    I’m not sure what to make of all this; it’s a bit iffy to me so I’ll be on the lookout for another NSFW related Lemmy community. There were a couple of folks in the comments of the original announcement post stating they’re gonna make their own instance so we’ll see how that pans out.

    • nude@kbin.socialOP
      12·
      2 years ago

      The heading of the post is, and I quote

      We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

      Maybe they minced words being non English as their first language.
      I understand that, languages are tough.
      That said, the fact that it isn’t a hard line on that shit is enough for the majority of people to want another instance.

      I’m not trying to have them closed. I’m not fronting a resistance to have people not go there. As far as I’m concerned its “legal” and whatever, but at the end of the day the majority of people are not only not interested, but disgusted by that.

      Being real here, if I’m looking at nude content, as lots of us do, there is some stuff I don’t want to see. Underaged content is on that list. I would safely assume that is on the list for many people.

      The point of this thread is to warn other “normies” that the people running that instance are cool with this sort of thing, and ask if there is an alternative yet. lemmynsfw can and will do whatever they want. I’m fine with that, its not the point here. The point is warning others and asking for an alternative.

      • blahaj@kbin.social
        4·
        2 years ago

        I completely agree with your points. I alongside many others appreciate the heads up; for some reason `!lemmynsfw doesn’t show up on my local feed over there so I never would’ve seen the post if it weren’t for this thread.

    • Killakomodo@kbin.social
      8·
      2 years ago

      I mean the person that made the original post has responded to that post saying “im not a pedo 🫤🤷‍♂️ I thought loli meant for teen people like 18-25.”

      Which to me does not track at all with what was said the first post, where they acknowledge that it’s drawings that appears to be of people underage. how do you talk about underage then say " I thought they meant 18 year old" does not really strike me as an “oopsi, I did not know”

      • nude@kbin.socialOP
        7·
        2 years ago

        I don’t know how people can be arguing against a post that is literally titled

        We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

      • blahaj@kbin.social
        5·
        2 years ago

        Oh yikes, I didn’t even see that comment. The fact that user is making this “clarification”, and not the admin themselves concerns me. It reads like they’re just piggybacking off the user poster who decided to do their own interpretation. Like others have stated before, there really needs to be a hard line drawn otherwise that instance is going to see a lot of people leaving.

        • nude@kbin.socialOP
          1·
          2 years ago

          My biggest concern coming from this is that the admins over there seem really, really out of their depth.

          Again, they can and will do whatever they want to do, but in my personal opinion a large general NSFW instance needs to have people who know what they are doing at the helm or its going to be a disaster. I just hope no regular user gets caught up if/when shit hits the fan

    • Otome-chan@kbin.social
      5·
      2 years ago

      loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.

      characters who are petite/young-looking are ALLOWED

      These are contradictory statements. that’s literally what the words loli/shota mean.

        • Otome-chan@kbin.social
          4·
          2 years ago

          loli/shota haters are gonna lose their shit when they find out about oppai loli. if loli referred to minors, such a thing simply couldn’t exist lol.

          the reality is that loli/shota have nothing to do with age.

            • Otome-chan@kbin.social
              3·
              2 years ago

              yup. people hating on this clearly ave no idea what they’re talking about. like there’s a clear distinction between actual anime children and loli content. and there’s plenty of people who like the latter and not the former. it’s not hard to understand.

              • Penekr@kbin.social
                4·
                2 years ago

                Lolicon does depict minor characters engaged in sexual acts. Whether that is exclusively or not doesn’t really matter. Although it doesn’t surprise me to see you here defending it. You have trash fucking takes on every topic you engage in.

                • Otome-chan@kbin.social
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  the cool thing about the fediverse and open platforms is that we are free to agree to disagree. the second you start defederating, silencing, or banning people over disagreements, is the second you start building an echochamber and leading to situations like what reddit or twitter have. If you don’t like the stuff I comment or share, then you’re free to block me.

                  But why does your dislike of what I wish to discuss/say/share mean that I shouldn’t be allowed to do so and discuss with others who do wish to speak to me?

      • Lols [they/them]@lemm.ee
        0·
        2 years ago

        i mean at that rate loli/shota mean nothing

        being on guard for pedophiles is good, but the obsessive policing of how petite women are allowed to be while still being ‘okay’ to sexualize has gotten extremely silly, both when it comes to art and when it comes to actual women sexualising themselves

      • blahaj@kbin.social
        10·
        2 years ago

        The fact the post was made by a user and not the actual admin certainly contributes to this mess.