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What? Apple is still releasing good laptops, m1 makbook air was unmatched for its price for like 2+ years and is still a machine that can last 6-10 hours under workload
Absolutely! Great machines indeed, I have one.
However, the sub-$1k market is under served with iPads only.
I think a 12 inches M1 Macbook can do some serious damage at this price range.
The base M1 MacBook Air is regularly (and currently) on sale for $750 at major retailers like Best Buy, Costco, and Amazon. MSRP is still $1000, though.
I guess (in their mind) their laptops are “premium” product and making a cheap one will lead to brand damage.
Plus, I remember how bad was previous 12 inch macbook, people will probably be very catious about it (if they ever make one)
I don’t think there is touchscreen support still, also not sure if they have a 2in1 option. As well, any non gaming laptop I’ve used in the past whothehellknowshowlong has had great battery life, even the cheap used convertible Chromebooks I install Windows 11 on have pretty great battery life. Definitely does more than a MacBook Air and for a lot less
are you really trying to say that chromebook can do more than m1 macbook lol
please show me an example of working in blender with chromebook
Touchscreen, tablet mode.
If I wanted to use the touchscreen, I’d rather get a tablet or use my phone. I would like to see the capability to open actual apps, not just chrome. In this case, even ipad is more capable than chromebooks because it can actually run lots of stuff, even video editing software.
We are talking about Chromebooks running Windows. Not Chromebooks running ChromeOS
You are so far behind in tech news my dear friend.
Touchscreen, tablet mode.
Please show me a Chromebook with 12 hours of battery life (Hell, even a x86 device) that has the same profile.
I’m pretty sure a Chromebook can’t run D4 either o.o
Look, I’m down for the anti-Apple circle jerk, but let’s hang on the side of reality, at least.
Please tell me where the anti-Apple circlejerk is, because lemmy is a sea of anti-Windows and Google circlejerking the likes of which have never been seen
I don’t think you meant to double reply so I’ll respond here.
I didn’t touch 2-n-1 or “tablet mode” since it’s not a target for their devices. I was specifically honing in on the claim of “Any gaming windows laptop has good battery life” (which I take to mean comparable) and “a chromebook running windows can do alot more for cheaper”
Both of those takes are either out of date or straight up not true. Especially when we consider the profile. There’s a few laptops that came out since the M1 that hit the same battery life, but they often need to make a compromise on performance when on battery power – which the M1 series did not. There are a few laptops that both hit the profile and the battery life that are on x86, but they are more expensive.
As for the Anti-Windows/Anti-Google stuff, it’s extremely common in the FOSS community and they’re represented at a much higher clip than a more general audience like /r/gaming on Reddit. In fact, the more into Unix-like spaces you go the more discussion there is about Windows being a many-layered shit show.
I never said “any gaming Windows laptop has good battery life” I literally said “any non gaming laptop I’ve used in the past whothehellknowshowlong has had great battery life”. Nice attempt at trying to twist things but that’s pretty bad.
As far as “a chromebook running windows can do alot more for cheaper” that is factually true. To my knowledge there isn’t a MacBook of any type that is convertible or contains a touchscreen, regardless of your personal feelings on that matter those are massively important features to a lot of users and the market demand reflects that in a very big way. Not to mention a Chromebook running Windows supports a much larger amount of software which, again, may not be important to you personally, but it’s massively important to a lot of people especially with Apple ending OS upgrades going further. And before you run off trying to say “oh but what about boot camp” well you still don’t have a convertible or a touchscreen.
I have spent the last 15 years of my life as a Linux user, and I spent 4 years of my life as a Mac user. The*nix community really needs to get over Windows and stop trying to pretend that Windows users are morons and are somehow completely oblivious to the existence of Linux. It’s an insane obsession
Ah, I missed a word. My honest mistake! Wasn’t intended, I skipped over the word as I was reading. You can understand how if that word was missing that it would be confusing. I’m not going to get into a performance debate over the space of ultrabooks, because it’s all over the place compared to the M-series since it’s release. Especially on the high-end side. For chromebooks though, you do take a massive hit on overall horsepower — unless the trend of them “slapping in a Intel Celeron and calling it a day” has broken recently.
This is the claim I find dubious. Given the rampant success of the Apple line since the advent of the M1, I’m unsure if the lack of a touch-screen mattered to general users. Especially since market for MacOS has grown since then. And you’re right, some may really care about a touch screen — but I’d call it a mixed bag. Users may similarly care about things like having dope display, high quality speakers, or a GOAT trackpad. To point at one hardware feature that is missing and calling it a dealbreaker is a bit much.
And sure, a chromebook on Windows can run anything in the Windows suite — it’ll be rough for anything that calls for performance compared to an M-series at the moment. Think tasks like Blender, rendering out a video (my MBA chews through 4k footage at faster than real time playback!), high end photo editing, or particularly gross compilations that take a bit of time. My little Air can run games like Diablo4, we have Baldur’s Gate 3 (which the betas running on Metal2/3 were awesome), or Fallen Order. It’s kinda sweet! Currently, we don’t use boot camp either (since there actually isn’t a fullblown ARM based Windows yet) generally we use translation layers (sometimes more than one). At the moment it’s pretty rare for me to not have a native ARM build of software by major companies, and if it’s not (looking at you game devs) I’ve gotten along quite well with x86 - > ARM translation and/or Windows->MacOS translation.
Like, I’m not claiming chromebooks don’t have a use case. Nor am I claiming a MacBook is the GOAT. It’s the specific claim “Definitely does more than a MacBook Air and for a lot less,” that I don’t agree with. Just on the silicon horsepower alone, and I don’t have to compromise on battery life, performance, and it’s still light while still being itty-bitty! Downside, I pay more. Well, mine I paid $700 for.
Eh, I use the three families of OS’s daily. My dev work is on a Windows machine, and the OS is kinda a hot mess. Granted, most of what informs my opinion most end users won’t even notice or care about. I say if someone wants to use Windows, go for it. But, I’d only use it if I was literally paid to do so, but that’s my taste.
I’m not just making up demands of the market, touchscreen and convertibles are some of the highest driving factors in laptops right now and their demand is growing, I’m not talking about personal preference whatsoever here lol, I’m coming from an objective view on the subject. Yes Apple’s specs haven’t lived up to the hype they generated and sales have been falling for a bit now.
For some reason you seem to be telling me the performance and capabilities of Chromebooks running Windows which I do find very strange as it’s obviously a subject I have a great deal more experience as you can do a pretty large amount of anything you need to do on one. Gimp, SketchUp, YouTube, word, Excel (any office suite anything is going to run perfectly obviously) web browser with any movie streaming site you want. You still have a huge selection of games to choose from. And if I’m getting into the personal area of things I come from the audio industry (where Linux and MacOS aren’t practical options) and my little fleet of used $50 Chromebooks running Windows can do anything without day to day usage. Honestly I think people have forgotten that common programs and software have not really be increasing in system demand but CPU’s, even on the low end have gotten far more powerful.
Cause you’re talking about running Windows on an Intel/AMD chip. Usually Intel Celerons on the cheap end. It’s not a niche area of knowledge. And plenty devices run that configuration stock. Just because Windows has been installed on it doesn’t raise the inherent upper bound of the silicon. And you’re right — much like the smart phone market — it is able to meet the needs of people handily and the lower end is much higher than what it used to be. And I agree that people are often overpaying for tech regularlly. But there are tasks the silicon is ‘priced’ out of because, while possible on the lower end chips, it becomes hard for them to keep up. That is why I’m confused whenever you claim a Chromebook “does more” than a Macbook.
I brought up very specific things: rendering video, 3-d modeling tasks, and a set of recently released AAA titles that run well. They’re a family of common things people do with their devices that are really computationally expensive the computer was designed to do (prolly shouldn’t game on a Mac tho, but I find it funny). Those are in a different computation league than running GIMP, office, or a drawing app. Your claim was “Definitely does more than a MacBook Air and for a lot less” and I’m trying to point out there are things bound by the silicon it cannot do as well by comparison (granted we went off on a few tangents). Like, the headroom just isn’t there. The Celeron family gets blown out of the water, and those running Intel i3’s and Intel i5’s fall behind as well. Some of those i3/i5’s get suspiciously close to MacBook territory in price tho.
I’m wondering though, is all this time, were you meaning they get more “bang for your buck?” If so, I agree, and I may have focused on “Definitely does more,” as in the set of things an ARM-silicon Mac can achieve is a subset of what a Chromebook can, and got really confused.
However, this device confuses both of us. Why.
Touchscreen, tablet mode.