I know one example of advertising that I liked: the creators of Penny Arcade had only advertisements for computer games that they liked. And they made those ads in the same art style as their own comic.
Advertisements are good when they’re an honest endorsement. Any others are inherently deceptive and often invasive.
Some level of advertising is a necessary evil when you’re in a capitalist system because otherwise people have no way to get their products out ti the market. There’s a balance to be struck.
Hell even in other systems advertising is still important for finding out about cool new things even if money no longer exists
They’re not “millions” right now. Imagine every single dollar they currently spend for different types of advertising, all used as budget for astroturfing. It would turn every online space into bots talking to themselves and nothing else.
Haha what? I’m not burning billboards and slaughtering CEOs. I’m just sick to death of all these ads. Advertising is a distributed global brainwashing campaign, by the wealthy, against the working class. They don’t hire psychologists to exploit our lizard brains for no reason, and that’s why it needs to be outlawed.
You mean that local mom and pop store that was briefly allowed to exist to maintain the illusion before they got crushed by a corporate juggernaut?
When a society allows itself to be psychologically manipulated in such an all pervasing manner, the people participate in their own subjugation and call it freedom.
There exists one of the most powerful groups on the planet who considers it their right to sneak inside your mind to twist your decision making ability to whatever amoral ends they like. They pump their filth into your head your every waking hour, and they’ll get into your dreams once they have the technology. Rather than revulsion and disgust, your reaction to this is “ok, but maybe just a little less than they do now.”
What a surprise.
No. There is nowhere in the world more sacred than our own minds, and no one else has the right to worm their way inside, en masse, to alter them as they will.
How about you speak for yourself instead of speaking for others? all I stated is that advertising isn’t inherently evil by itself and you go putting words in my mouth about other shit.
I know, and that sucks. But outright banning something that has its benefits has always been detrimental (not to mention, they’d just find sneakier ways to do it and it’d be worse for everyone). We need regulations, a lot of them, not banning entirely.
Plus who are we kidding, everyone in power is so deep into the advertising/propaganda industry that neither of those options have a decent chance of happening in our lifetime.
This is one of those bizarre Lemmy echo chamber things. I’ve never seen this sentiment that advertising is evil and should be stopped at all costs anywhere else but on Lemmy it’s super common. Idk where it comes from. I get that advertising kind of sucks but it just seems like a weird thing to get so passionate about especially considering how many other things are wrong with the world. Sorry you’re getting downvoted to hell, you’re not crazy, Lemmy is.
This has been a huge public viewpoint for decades. I think it was Banksy who had the quote about if you force me to view your ad by putting it in a public space then it is mine to do with a I please.
Businesses have to survive, but advertising is insidious and invasive. Could it be regulated? Sure.
That famous Bansky quote is older than Lemmy and is posted all over the Internet. There are cities around that ban all advertisements. There are movements for a ban on ads in public spaces in many cities all around the world. That really has nothing to do with Lemmy
It’s the state of advertising tbh. If ads were still of the “Look, here’s a cool product” variety, or even the “Look, here’s people happily using a cool product” kind then the world would probably be a better place. Even targeting isn’t so bad, when it’s broad like “We want businesses to know about our B2B product.”
The evil in modern advertising is the overly specific targeting, the lying, the psychological tricks, and the way they seem to invade every possible space.
Advertising itself isn’t a bad thing.
No, it’s… it’s pretty bad.
I know one example of advertising that I liked: the creators of Penny Arcade had only advertisements for computer games that they liked. And they made those ads in the same art style as their own comic.
Advertisements are good when they’re an honest endorsement. Any others are inherently deceptive and often invasive.
Some level of advertising is a necessary evil when you’re in a capitalist system because otherwise people have no way to get their products out ti the market. There’s a balance to be struck.
Hell even in other systems advertising is still important for finding out about cool new things even if money no longer exists
If money doesn’t exist how do you pay for the ads?
With poetry, or perhaps a little dance. Dance 🕺
Word of mouth is the most powerful type of advertisement that no one is against.
We all know if every other way of advertising was banned, they’d start paying (or “incentivizing”) millions of people to “do word of mouth” for them.
And then we’ll have those people polluting every online space with unlabeled ads. No thank you.
Like they are already? Iol
They’re not “millions” right now. Imagine every single dollar they currently spend for different types of advertising, all used as budget for astroturfing. It would turn every online space into bots talking to themselves and nothing else.
They can put up signs inside their business windows. That’s plenty. Everything else is a blight.
It’s not 1950 anymore.
Oh they had roadside billboards in 1950. And they were a blight back then. Advertising is a cancer.
Extremism is cancer.
Haha what? I’m not burning billboards and slaughtering CEOs. I’m just sick to death of all these ads. Advertising is a distributed global brainwashing campaign, by the wealthy, against the working class. They don’t hire psychologists to exploit our lizard brains for no reason, and that’s why it needs to be outlawed.
Your local mom & pop store also uses advertising smart guy.
@RedditIsDeddit @Olhonestjim If ads were banned, they wouldn’t have to.
You mean that local mom and pop store that was briefly allowed to exist to maintain the illusion before they got crushed by a corporate juggernaut?
When a society allows itself to be psychologically manipulated in such an all pervasing manner, the people participate in their own subjugation and call it freedom.
There exists one of the most powerful groups on the planet who considers it their right to sneak inside your mind to twist your decision making ability to whatever amoral ends they like. They pump their filth into your head your every waking hour, and they’ll get into your dreams once they have the technology. Rather than revulsion and disgust, your reaction to this is “ok, but maybe just a little less than they do now.”
What a surprise.
No. There is nowhere in the world more sacred than our own minds, and no one else has the right to worm their way inside, en masse, to alter them as they will.
How about you speak for yourself instead of speaking for others? all I stated is that advertising isn’t inherently evil by itself and you go putting words in my mouth about other shit.
That’s a generalization. The White Rose was doing “advertising”, and I think that’s all but “by the wealthy, against the working class”.
Advertising has its place and can be beneficial to society, it just needs regulations (admittedly, A LOT of them).
The advertising industry had their chance to run an ethical business model.
Now they have their own corporate spy agencies and propaganda networks.
I know, and that sucks. But outright banning something that has its benefits has always been detrimental (not to mention, they’d just find sneakier ways to do it and it’d be worse for everyone). We need regulations, a lot of them, not banning entirely.
Plus who are we kidding, everyone in power is so deep into the advertising/propaganda industry that neither of those options have a decent chance of happening in our lifetime.
They are making billboards illegal in most places. And it’s a pretty awesome improvement I must say.
This is one of those bizarre Lemmy echo chamber things. I’ve never seen this sentiment that advertising is evil and should be stopped at all costs anywhere else but on Lemmy it’s super common. Idk where it comes from. I get that advertising kind of sucks but it just seems like a weird thing to get so passionate about especially considering how many other things are wrong with the world. Sorry you’re getting downvoted to hell, you’re not crazy, Lemmy is.
fake Internet points don’t matter to me my words stand by themselves
This has been a huge public viewpoint for decades. I think it was Banksy who had the quote about if you force me to view your ad by putting it in a public space then it is mine to do with a I please.
Businesses have to survive, but advertising is insidious and invasive. Could it be regulated? Sure.
That famous Bansky quote is older than Lemmy and is posted all over the Internet. There are cities around that ban all advertisements. There are movements for a ban on ads in public spaces in many cities all around the world. That really has nothing to do with Lemmy
I dont think Bill Hicks is on Lemmy.
@markovs_gun @RedditIsDeddit what’s lemmy?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3msdIczCtjA
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It’s the state of advertising tbh. If ads were still of the “Look, here’s a cool product” variety, or even the “Look, here’s people happily using a cool product” kind then the world would probably be a better place. Even targeting isn’t so bad, when it’s broad like “We want businesses to know about our B2B product.”
The evil in modern advertising is the overly specific targeting, the lying, the psychological tricks, and the way they seem to invade every possible space.
Don’t forget about planned obsolescence, and enshittification. Two built in ways to lie to the person being advertised at.
This I agree with
Psych tricks were there since Bernays “torches of freedom” to sucker women into nicotine addiction like the men.
For anyone that is downvoting this. Go ahead and try to run a business without advertising, let me know how that works out for you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3msdIczCtjA