Nvidia GPUs require a custom kernel module. If you expect the average user to care that much about their computer, you are silly.

You are doing modifications that are meant for experienced users when youbson’t know what you are getting into

I know exactly what modification I’ve done and why. In fact, lots of distros ship with these modules then don’t update them properly. Despite that I’ve solved this issue many times. It’s just a time-consuming task that I don’t want to do. I have other hobbies.

Kindly I propose stopping this stupid discussion because you only half know what you are talking about.

You know nothing of what you talk about. You are extremely biased as you’ve pointed out in your other comments and proud of it. No one is saying people shouldn’t use Linux, people here are saying they don’t want a chore for an OS.

Also, your attitude is the biggest reason Linux isn’t a popular desktop OS. The Linux community keeps mass adoption away with this sort of attitude. I recommend stopping this conversation at the risk of truly exposing yourself as the angry troglodyte you are.

Sure, it was a bit hyperbole but I’ve certainly seen that exact thing on Arch/Manjaro, one of the more popular distros. I’ve also seen a handful of updates on Fedora and Ubuntu just fully brick the system. My whole point with that was that Windows checks its updates against far more configurations than a single Linux distro ever could. One of the most common things I’ve seen Linux do on multiple distros is update the Linux kernel without waiting for all my installed kernel modules to be updated to work with that version. In a lot of cases, this has left my computer unbootable until I rescued it either changing grub or using another live CD.

I’ll check again but I believe as I was testing out Linux distros to put on my kid’s laptop just 2 weeks ago, I tested PopOS and it somehow failed. I think it failed to boot entirely because some service not launching. I’d need to double-check that though. Overall I had about 6 distros to go through and moved on. I’ve stayed away from Nobara because it doesn’t seem like a well-trodden path.

I’ve looked at jumping back into FreeBSD or perhaps going to Gentoo but frankly, that’s more if I was going to turn my whole computer into a hobby project and I have other hobbies I want to use my computer for.

You’ve missed my points entirely, the only thing I can suggest is reread what I wrote.

things that are marked as working do work, sounds like user error

That’s the exact sort of bullshit community pushback I am talking about. That shit right there is why Linux is being held back. Frankly, if your OS could be held wrong by someone who writes in C++ and has 8 years experience using your OS, then your OS is fundamentally flawed.

they’re viable

For some specific workflows, sure. If you only need a browser or have locked down hardware like Android/ChromeOS/SteamOS SURE! If you want to use a computer like a productive device you can do anything on, likely not going to work with Linux. You can believe all you want that the only reason Linux doesn’t have a larger foothold in gaming is Windows comes pre-installed but the truth is that Linux usage dropped from in 2014 compared to 2020. Linux in 2014 was 1.1% and in 2020 it was .91. The major rise recently of Linux on Steam was because of the steam decks. So yes, Linux is great when everything is locked down and a large company with direction is supporting it. Otherwise, on desktop, it’s not for most people.

So really a moot point, isn’t it?

With a 1080 it hard locks on start up. With a 3080, same results, with my 1660, same results. Tested with Fedora 38.

It is so obivious that you have never used linux… or you have only tried vanilla arch or something

I’ve used it since about 2007. I’ve used Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, Manjaro, and Arch, Was a FreeBSD porter for a few years, and have a lot of experience releasing games for Linux, Mac, and consoles. It’s clear you have no clue about me and are mindlessly defending an OS you are overly obsessed with. Don’t worry, I was there a few years ago. There is help out there.

minecraft works without problems on linux

Bedrock edition.

libre office, only office and hell even google docs on linux

Sure a bunch of software suites that have their own problems or google docs which to say “even it runs on Linux” is extremely silly. Anything that runs chrome runs google docs.

fortnite is one of the few games that don’t work on linux

Most games don’t run on Linux, and even with Proton, a lot of games do not work well. A few of them are Castle Crashers, Never Alone, A Hat In Time, and a lot of older Unity games. They are all marked as “working” but in practice, they don’t.

I did not think about it because this whole conversation is useless to me.

To me, it reads as both. It tries to control it but regardless it flips upside down and no one moves in the same direction.

I’m not blaming any Linux users for that. I’m saying this is the trade-offs of Linux and they are unacceptable to most people.

Yeah, basically. Which raises a question: how companies with much smaller market share can justify providing support, but Nvidia, a company that dominates the GPU market, can’t?

I feel like it’s the opposite as Nvidia provides a lot of Linux support by providing an open source kernel module (https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules) while AMD gets proprietary blobs into the Linux kernel ( https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/configure-2d-and-3d-graphics-acceleration). How come Linux is supporting AMD more than Nvidia currently?

My point is every large piece of tech is flawed and you have to find what you can work with. My original comment (not post, btw) isn’t bullshit and if you want to insult people, go to a different instance. This is beehaw, Be nice. I’m not going to carry on a conversation with you calling names and acting clearly in bad faith. If you don’t like my opinion, don’t engage but I am able to have a my reasonable opinion about software.

Elon Musk should get directly sued from the State of California for active sabotage of it’s public infrastructure.

I used to use XFCE religiously and since I’ve been popping my head back into Linux after moving to Windows, I have noticed I’ve been on Gnome and KDE far more. my XFCE days felt far more stable. That said, I don’t think the DE is solely to blame.

If the installer is that easily scared off then it doesn’t deserve to be an installer. I treat the Windows installer far worse.

I used Linux as a daily driver for 5 years and was a FreeBSD porter for 2 years after that. I’ve been using Linux every year to pop in and see the issues and their current state. In this year alone, I’ve seen issues with Fedora, Linux Mint, and Manjaro. Hell, even right now the Fedora Live installer won’t launch on my desktop. It hard freezes before it can even get the installer up.

I think the disconnect here is that others are saying “they aren’t supporting us,” and your response is pretty much “lol, abandon what you’re doing and go back to the corporations.”

My point is that Linux does nothing to make it easy to support. Nvidia even has made an open source kernel driver. https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules Nvidia is doing a lot of work to support Linux and people don’t seem to see it.

Also “it works on windows” is a terrible rebuttal in a discussion where you first say “it works fine on x11”

A question to configure Nvidia Optimus is also a terrible rebuttal in the first place. Optimus is blocked because Linux kernel doesn’t want proprietary blobs. AMD has the same exact issue.

So in the past, I used Linux as a daily driver for over 5 years. I was a Freebsd Ports Porter for a few years, and am now a C++ programmer on games in which I release Linux builds for. I’m not unfamiliar with making Linux work. It’s not just drivers but a whole set of issues in which I had to drop Linux for Windows.

Also, the 1000s of different updates aren’t hyperbole. I’ve absolutely had that on Manjaro. On Linux Mint I have updates almost daily but it’s typically only a handful of things.