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  • I don’t have more information on this particular company’s dealings with law enforcement, but I certainly think it’s reasonable to be concerned.

    I see your point, if the company is ok with handing data without a warrant, then they might as well be a surveillance company for the police. That may or may not be the case for these companies at the moment, but there’s nothing stopping them from changing their mind tomorrow.

    I also think most cars can’t be stopped dead with a traffic cone, so these protesters are highlighting the unpredictable and sometimes dangerous behavior of these vehicles in mixed traffic.

    This is another fair point, and I think you’re right that it does highlight a deficiency in these vehicles.

    I think self driving tech has a lot of potential to save lives in the future if it can perform better on the road than humans. But I do agree with you now that maybe it’s good that the protestors are highlighting some of the glaring issues that are popping up along the way.


  • Can you give a better source than the original article that the cars are being used as surveillance for law enforcement? The original article had this to say:

    It also claims that they’re partnering with police to record everyone all the time without anyone’s consent.

    To me that seems very biased. I found another article that seems a little more nuanced (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-29/self-driving-car-video-from-waymo-cruise-give-police-crime-evidence?leadSource=uverify%20wall).

    It says that police need a warrant to access footage, just like any other cctv you might find at a brick and mortar business, which are also filming you at every street corner 24/7.

    In December 2021, San Francisco police were working to solve the murder of an Uber driver. As detectives reviewed local surveillance footage, they zeroed in on a gray Dodge Charger they believed the shooter was driving. They also noticed a fleet of Waymo’s self-driving cars, covered with cameras and sensors, happen to drive by around the same time.

    Recognizing the convenient trove of potential evidence, Sergeant Phillip Gordon drafted a search warrant to Alphabet Inc.’s Waymo, demanding hours of footage that the SUVs had captured the morning the shooting took place. “I believe that there is probable cause that the Waymo vehicles driving around the area have video surveillance of the suspect vehicle, suspects, crime scene, and possibly the victims in this case,” Gordon wrote in the application for the warrant to Google’s sister company.

    Back to your other point - people are free to be upset at our car based society. I just think it’s arbitrary to take it out on driverless cars when it’s our entire society they seem to have a problem with. They’re free to protest however they see fit, my opinion is still that it seems hypocritical.