Fuck I wish I could, but it’s US only. I was ready to take on debt when they announced that they’re quitting a decade ago, but a trip to the US is just way too fucking much. I’d probably end up staying homeless there. So jealous. Enjoy! I can’t even imagine what their shows are like, it just doesn’t transfer through video.

I mean have you heard an Australian accent? It’s like “this is totally a legit accent, we’re speaking English, mate, jabbamawong!” half of it isn’t even words they just make it up as they go like they’re not being sarcastic.

Never bought it.

Not really commenting on whether Altman got paid enough or not, but “well he’s not fucking homeless” isn’t really a sensible argument in any conversation about compensation.

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On top of all that, I wonder how much the types of backports they’re rooting for would be used to acquire the kind of material pedophiles are after. I mean kids will be kids either way and be stupid and the people that are after kiddie porn seem more likely the type of people to know their way around and stay hidden, because they’re literally predators. These backports will be abused by both “the legitimate” side and criminals, so wouldn’t having a “special key” to unlock your backdoor put your children in more danger, especially when you’re sleeping sound thinking you’re safe and therefore not worried about someone, “breaking in”. (Is it still breaking in if they have a fucking key?)

I don’t feel that’s true coming from more “traditional” art circles. From my anecdotal experience, most people can’t tell AI art from human art, especially digital and the kind the examples are from - meaning, hobbyist/semi-pro/pro deviant art type stuff. The examples seem obviously hand picked from both non-AI and AI-side to eliminate any differences as far as possible. And I feel both, the inability to tell the difference and the reason the dataset is what it is is because, well, they’re very similar, mainly because the whole deviant art/art station/whatever scene is a masssssive part of the dataset they use to train these Ai-models, closing the gap even further.

I’m even a bit of a stickler when it comes to using digital tools and prefer to work with pens and paints as far as possible, but I flunked out pretty bad, but then again I can’t really stand this deviant art type stuff so I’m not a 100% familiar, a lot of the human made ones look very AI.

I’d be interested in seeing the same, artist vs. non-artist survey, but honestly I feel it’s the people more familiar with specifically AI-generated art that can tell them apart the best. They literally specifically have to learn (if you’re good at it) to spot the weird little AI-specific details and oopsies to not make it look weird and in the uncanny valley.

It’s sad to see how AI advocates strive to replicate the work of artists all the while being incredibly dismissive of their value. No wonder so many artists are incensed to get rid of everything AI.

It’s such a shame too. Like you can have a million sensible takes and opinions and views on the topic, pro-AI, but the discussion revolves around the same shit on both sides.

It is an amazing tool, and could be used (and is used, it’s just obscured by the massive amount of shit and assholes trolling other people/artists) in so many creative ways. I’d been in a bit of a rut for quite a few years (partially because my brain no make happy chemicals or sleep), but I haven’t been as excited about the possibilities and inspired maybe ever in my life (at least not for a decade or nearly two) with art and my own stuff. I’m finally drawing again after way too many years of letting my stuff gather dust.

The Grand Wazoo is Zappa’s best album in my opinion, never get tired of it. One of the few albums that has been absolutely life altering.

Oh, haha, now that I listen to this song once you’ve said that I can hear that. Check out the ‘Maaäet’ (Earth mother) album, it’s their masterpiece. They used to be a lot darker and folkier and less post rocky. Which is fine really. Their singer has a deep, low singing voice usually, not sure if he sings on this one. There’s still a bunch of folky stuff on the new one as well.

I don’t know if I had my expectations too high or what, but after waiting for over a decade, I was a little disappointed with the new album. It’s a good album but after such a long time, at least half of which they’ve apparently been working on the album at least for some part, I just expected something different.

As a side note check out The Pixies’ cover of “Que Sera, Sera” they did for this Stephen King-esque horror series ‘From’. I couldn’t believe it was them. I only know early Pixies stuff and had no idea they’re still going.

Oh I know Achilles Last Stand, maybe I’ll give Presence a spin first.

Yeah I have to admit I don’t really listen to anything from Physical Graffiti onwards so I admit I have a bit of a blindspot there. Maybe some day. I don’t think I’ve ever even heard the last three albums.

And then you have examples of bands like Oranssi Pazuzu that kind of have achieved a similar thing to Led Zeppelin where they can be a lot of things across an album and throughout their discography but still very much retain their sound because they’ve always kind of incorporated influences from all over ito their sound and just making it their own. I wouldn’t say they have ever been scared to “veer off” out of their fairly specific genrehole even if they have their sound throughout. It’s tricky.

True, but some genres just kinda are like that with a lot of bands. Metal and punk especially. I don’t a 100% agree that it’s always being scared of experimenting/veering off, but just kind of the nature of the genre for a lot of bands. And even then you have examples of bands still retaining “their sound”. Sure it’s not metal, but punk, but I think Fugazi have quite a certain sound even though they evolved a lot.

From that another great example and one of my favorites: Bad Brains! Any of their songs could’ve been on any of their albums and it would not have been out of place.

Metal and punk are very similar in ways though so I excuse myself not thinking of metal examples.

Like I’d say Deathspell Omega sounds have retained their sound in many ways, but they’ve kind of evolved their thing so much you couldn’t really say they have just that specific sound. Where as Deströyer 666 still have the same sound even though they’ve changed quite a bit, but you could go on forever about outliers. I don’t remember what my point was.

Having said all that I wish more metal and punk bands tried something more different sometimes.

I was gonna comment about ZZ Top having a distinct early period, middle period and later, but I realized I think I’ve only hear like four albums by them.

Just needed to comment: there’s a great band/cover band name for someone: ZZ Top Guns

Led Zeppelin stayed roughly the same, but they had all kinds of influences mixed in from the start to sustain their sound and not get tired.

High on Fire to an extent. Matt Pike is an absolute riff machine and it seemed like every album up til sobriety was just a banger of an album after the other.

Primus I kind of think too, just because they have a very unique sound due to Les’s Residentsy vocals and his bass style.

The Smiths? The Fall! Sonic Youth as well. Elliott Smith.

I think it kind of depends on how much you allow and what you see as their sound. You can always find examples and some difference in sound, but for many bands and artists it’s more song to song or even producer dependent.

Hell I’d chuck in a band like Kyuss as well, most post-Kyuss projects John Garcia was involved with still sound like Kyuss because he was a massive part of the sound, listen to Slo Burn or Unida and tell me you don’t hear Kyuss.

A lot of artists change more drastically, like you can tell if some song is by Nick Cave, but there’s a huge difference from album to album, where as The Birthday Party though kind of had a specific sound they stuck to as well even if they explored it a little.

Ooh and Judas Priest in a big way, Motörhead too to an extent.

Good question!

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The ‘Ritual Spirit’ EP and The Spoils are some of the best things Massive Attack has ever released and everything they’ve done is sublime.

• Tangerine Dream - Phaedra, Zeit, Alpha Centauri

• Loscil - Plume

• Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2

• M. J. Harris & Martyn Bates - Murder Ballads

• Mirror - I paint for the love of color, Nightwalkers, A Pilgrim’s Solace… Any of them pretty really I love Mirror

• Andrew Chalk - Time of Hayfield, same goes here, Chalk is half of Mirror)

• Thomas Köner - Nuuk

• Michael Bross - Subway Meditations

• Akira Yamaoka - Silent Hill 1, 2 and 3: The Complete Soundtracks to all three

• Jorge Reyes - Mort Aux Vaches, The Flayed God and if that’s up your alley be sure to check out Antonio Zepeda as well!

• William Basinski - Melancholia, The Disintegration Loops

• Oöphoi - The Rustling of Leaves, The Spirals of Time and so many others

And some borderline ambient, but might scratch the itch:

• Gavin Bryars - Jesus blood never failed me yet

• Jon Hassell - Vernal Equinox, The Surgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things by the Power of Sound, others from his earlier half

• Rapoon - Vernal Crossing

• Tuu - All Our Ancestors

• The Body Lovers/The Body Haters

• Scott Walker - The Drift, Tilt

• Dead Can Dance - The Serpent’s Egg, Into the Labyrinth, Toward the Within, Within the Realm of a Dying Sun

edit: There’s too many! I didn’t get to Robert Rich, Gas, Jan Jelinek, Muslimgauze, Biosphere and so many others

I listened to an album by Blood Incantation this year, great metal stuff and was ready to react, then I went and checked that out and Holy shit its straight up Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze type shit. Have to give this a listen