Could perhaps a charitable interpretation of the song be that there are some people on welfare who could work but choose not to (sloth) and choose to eat excessively when they could choose otherwise (gluttony), and that the musician is complaining about these specific people, and not people who may simply be overweight due to poisoning or unemployed due to bad luck?

yes, feeding those in need is the clear teaching; no, this is not necessarily through welfare and taxation

Again, this isn’t Jesus being “pro-taxes” but for prudence: He was saying if people are going to force you to pay taxes, well what are you going to do? If you don’t pay that makes you a criminal, so just to pay it to avoid trouble

Ok, and what we’re saying is in none of those passages is Jesus saying to force people to hand over money using the government so that people can collect it in welfare; the difference between a nonprofit or giving someone who is homeless on the street $20, versus a government agency fining someone and forcing them to be taxed for whatever purpose the government may see fit

However, that is not to say Christians may not advocate for such a view (for government welfare), I would simply state it is not the “Christian position” that Jesus is positively requiring something like government welfare to exist

superfluous wealth (beyond one’s needs) is morally the possession of the poor, in the theological tradition (although not one that is much talked about?) - hence you might advocate for wealthy people to give charitably under pain of present or future punishment by God (unless they feel they should retain such funds for some reason - some may need less than others, and some wealth is capital, like if a person owns a boat they can’t break up the boat to feed people)

Care for the poor is a positive virtue, but welfare is simply forcing taxpayers to pay, and allows people to indiscriminately collect; it’s not particularly moral or immoral, it’s kind of amoral in a way (when abused, immoral?)

Thank you for this conversation, I think it is an important one to continue (I may be out for a bit, I could try to further elaborate on different passages if requested. Whether government or corporations or individuals are in charge of doing certain things, I do agree we should care for the poor for sure and would enjoy seeing more discussion of how to meet the needs of those in most need when possible)

What examples of Jesus are coming to mind for you

voluntary socialism if you want to look at it that was isn’t necessarily the issue (taking handouts people want to give privately), welfare is forcible socialism through taxes and government coercion - it’s a different thing

a lot of people oscillate in their arguments, like they wouldn’t say it’s ok a guy assaulted a woman just because she was wearing inappropriate clothing? but here personal responsibility for avoiding unhealthy food is not promoted?

I can see how the jabs at vices of sloth and gluttony might trigger those who struggle with such sins, however I think in the balance he was venting frustrations that are broadly bipartisan about poor wage rates and political leaders who may be failing the average person

> I don’t want to work at this company anymore so I quit, I just don’t feel like working here anymore

Seems ok for the employee to quit “at will” so why not for the employer?

It’s sincere, I don’t think people are thinking through what they’re asking for

You just can’t do it like that, because you woke up grumpy that particular morning

That should be fine though, that’s freedom of association, why force people to work together who don’t want to do so?

the “valid reason” is you don’t like them, why would we want to force people to work together who don’t like each other?

I do think it’s good to create a healthy culture that respects workers, but I don’t understand why being able to fire an employee is a bad thing

Imagine you’re not allowed to fire people you don’t like who you think are doing a bad job at work

Marriage is the sacred bond between a husband and wife which may allow for the biological production of children, as God created people male or female “in the image of God”

It’s therefore impossible for two people of the same gender to marry as it is outside of the divinely constituted institution of marriage, and the encyclical discusses at length the beauty of the matrimonial union

Higher-ups in the Church would therefore of course not sanction unnatural unions and would insist upon relationships that satisfy the mutual longing of man and woman

not entirely sure why either, could be bots or I tried to post in gaming communities and maybe it’s not thought to be a (video) game so then those posters followed over here

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anyone who does any actual housework

I think you understand, maybe others have not had the same experience, and I should have perhaps asked people if they have done or do housework and have “felt the burn” from it or not

artificial exercise equipment at home

This was also what I was reasoning lately, that I would try to “exercise” and do “chores” and it was kind of overwhelming, so maybe I could just skip the “exercise” and get more chores done, which is a win win on saving time not “exercising” and getting exercise from the physical chores or work. I’ve sometimes felt like gyms are a “scam”, in that there’s probably some kind of practical manual labor “work” that could be done as “exercise” instead that produces something.

housework burns a lot of calories

I guess I should have added more clarity. There may be a few reasons why people don’t recognize housework as “exercise”.

Firstly, the word “housework” is a bit unclear. Maybe I consider more broadly things to be “housework” while some people are envisioning something simpler like baking which may seem to be pretty inactive if you’re just moving some light ingredients around.

Another issue is everyone’s living space may be different; for example, people with stairs might burn more calories going up and down them versus people on a flat level or with elevators.

Maybe some people move slowly, where they might be able to move faster, or lift less weight when they might be able to load themselves with more for a greater workout at once, or maybe they don’t do as much when they could add more chores to their routine.

Some of the tasks include:

cleaning, which might involve walking around to mop or scrubbing (which feels like an intense workout of muscles).

moving things around, like groceries, trash, machines like vacuum cleaners, laundry, furniture, children, etc.

moving up and down stairs, which burn about double the calories versus walking (this may depend on people’s environment)

walking around in general which can involve a lot of steps

making things, or like weeding, working with manual tools, and so on

a lot of people don’t consider housework to be exercise for some reason

element / matrix instead

cooking at home

To note, sometimes it can be good to taste the local food and have the local food experience, but this is a !frugal tip for those who are inclined to save some money this way