I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.
2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.
Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.
Can’t tell if this is a shitpost or not
There’s more linux circlejerk or “windows bad” posts in this community than actual useful ones.
Of all the circlejerks this one is really silly though. You can complain about so many fucking things about Windows but Windows 11 is really damn easy to install and setup and I’m pretty sure you can do it in 30 mins.
The OP’s whining about Linux playing all the games feels like bait to me. Linux just doesn’t run every game that Windows does and it’s not about how graphically intense it is.
Some linux distros are also damn easy to install, easier than windows just try for yourself
It is no competition on whether linux is easier to install when you can run it off a fucking flash drive.
That doesn’t make Windows 11 hard though.
Even for a Windows user Windows 11 is kind of extra. Install is simple as 10 was, but the nice ends there. First thing you notice is all icons are just gone. No recycle bin, the start button isn’t. I only even know because my wife got a couple of laptops from her grandfather. She wanted one just reset. 11 is what she got. I hate it. The other laptop is now purring on Ubuntu. I like it. It’s not what I’m used to, but I have Blender on it and a slicer. I was hoping that Linux music production might be a thing, but nah. So, I also still have to keep my Windows 10 desktop alive, because that’s where my no longer supported Reason 10 lives.
I’ve done so many windows 11 installs and always had the recycle bin. I really don’t see the hate for Windows 11 other than the account login shit but most people I know still use Geforce experience and that requires a login.
@Pat_Riot @linux @Tak Some of these might be useful:
https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/Thanks, that does give me a bit more to check out. I have Ardour and Muse, neither works without more dabbling than I have been in the mood for. Renoise looks interesting, I may try it next. I know I’m just spoiled, but I’m just not interested in trying to speed run the growing pains. I’m fine with baby steps. I sincerely appreciate the link. I bookmarked it for later delving.
Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but… We can’t generalize one Windows experience just like we can’t generalize one Linux experience.
It’s a lot easier to do the former than the latter. Windows fixes a lot of things about the experience, but maybe not the exact flavoring / theming.
Linux you can’t say anything about the experience besides sweeping generalizations by distro.
I agree with this. I use Linux exclusively at home, but for work I have a windows laptop. It’s really not that bad. I for sure don’t like it as much, but it isn’t atrocious.
Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?
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Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
I remember being part of these exact same conversations on other message boards at least 15 years ago.
We’re all going around in circles here as history repeats itself.
It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.
I have found windows is easier to install every time. This is just another windows bad linux good post. Windows has so many issues, but installation is not one of them. Even my 10 year old cousin installs it fine.
@SloganLessons @PeterPoopshit
Yeah, but by then the “good” version will be available - Windows 12.Alternatively, if your needs could be met by another os e.g. Linux or MacOS then why not migrate to them?
Windows 12 will be a massive hit, just like google stadia.
OP:
I run Arch btw
In my experience, installation of Win or Lin has been pretty easy. Lin has less options to opt out of (I like) than windows, but windows set everything up just fine. The only time I ever had issues on either is if I try to install without an active ether net connected. If I don’t have the os update during install, I run into random driver issues on either os.
Yeah, I genuinely do not understand having used Windows, Linux, and MacOS. They are making it sound like it’s trying to decipher some unknown language. Even a quick YouTube would have solved how to install a exe.
Windows bad, upvotes to the left
People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.
You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.
Windows 11 doesn’t force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.
It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It’s especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.
Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.
Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?
He’s that chill future guy from Bill & Ted’s excellent adventure.
Windows app for flashing ISOs to your USB. It provides additional options for flashing Windows 11.
I’ve seen that before, but when I proposed that as a solution it was shot down due to being unsupported by Microsoft. I just wish they had an OEM option to skip it.
Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.
There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.
On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.
In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.
You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn’t work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)
So basically what @dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works just said.
sure, 7 months ago
Oh sorry, I don’t know how I got on this old post.
Very much doesn’t my guy.
Home won’t let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.
Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it’s literally two extra clicks.
We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.
I just installed 11 recently. There isn’t a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the “offline” option.
So it seems like their point may still stand.
Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn’t require sign in. I’ve only dealt with Pro and didn’t know it’s different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.
That’s not accurate. The new versions of Windows 11 make you restart the OOBE with a flag to disable the MS login requirement. His points also weren’t valid during the 8/10 era, because back then you could just click offline experience at the bottom left. You didn’t even need to disable WiFi, just don’t connect.
Edit: Seems Pro lets you install without an account, home does not. Most of the laptops I’ve worked on come with home.
Ah I’m sorry I’ve installed Win11 on several computers but they’ve all been Pro version. I didn’t know that Home is different.
Not true on Windows 11 home that ships with new hardware. You need to disable all network connections and run some terminal commands to set up a local account. It is not convenient at all. Granted you can easily add a local account, after you have set it up with a Microsoft account, but that sort of defeats the purpose.
I just use the Konami code and it bypasses so that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Try doing it on a b650 motherboard that’s so new the windows installer doesn’t even have the correct ahci drivers
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He said it has windows drivers, but windows don’t have its drivers in its installer
Gigabyte apparently. They have drivers on their website. Windows 11 just wanted to be extremely picky about the storage device I used. There was probably a cd with drivers in the motherboard box but who tf has a cd drive these days? Just formatting ntfs on any flash drive is apparently not good enough. Also, no matter which version of the drivers I used, unchecking “hide incompatible drivers” was the only way to make anything ever show up. I’m 100% sure I was using the correct ones for the exact motherboard model and revision number.
I bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and an Asrock X670E, I was upgrading and just transferred my Windows install but still… No issues.
I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.
I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.
I think so too and no offense meant to OP as well.
I am an early adopter of all things tech and so I had a Gigabyte Xtreme X670E mobo on pretty much day 1 to go with a 7950X. Everything worked fine on both Windows 11 and Linux despite being a pimped-up mobo and brand new CPU. At this much later date, OP’s B650 mobo should be working without a hitch, especially with Windows (and almost certainly with Linux as well).
So a similar experience as that of Linux? /s
Sorry, could you repeat that? Slower, if possible
People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.
They’re wrong, of course.
You don’t have to enter a license key.
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Same on many linux distros but without having to enter a license key
Nah you have to spend at least an hour researching how to not create an account (spoiler: ther is no option, you just have to not connect it to the internet)
It’s a joke post. Which makes it extra funny, and quite sad, how many of the comment seem to think it’s serious and are unironically chiming in with complaints.
OPs username is “Peter Poopshit”, I wouldn’t take anything they post seriously.
Several people thinking this post is too stupid to possibly be real because they think linux users are smart says everything you need to know about this community.
I saw SatansMaggotyShitFart or something like that making normal conversation yesterday.
I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions…
Like I get it, windows bad or w/e… But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole fucking days is just asinine.
Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.
Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them… I can’t take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS…
I was going to say… If it takes you literally 1.5 days to simply install and after 2 days you can’t even launch Steam? I’m sorry, but you have extraordinarily fucked up. Whatever the fuck is happening there is not on Windows. OP, I would love to understand what you were seeing or what was happening. And I also wonder if you are using an actual Windows OS image, or what you tinkered with or ran scripts on to maybe “clean Windows up”. Unfortunately so many of those scripts are also fucking notorious for breaking some Windows functionality, like the Xbox games and what not.
Don’t get me wrong. Windows is becoming worse and worse in both features and performance (AI powered file recommendations in my start menu? get the fuck outta here). But I’m sorry, this complaint in the OP is not it.
I’m sympathetic to a Windows install taking days (I’ve been there), but you’re right that it’s not Windows’ fault. It’s always some 10 year-old hardware with dodgy or no-longer-supported drivers. Maybe you could make an argument that it’s partly Windows’ fault because they push driver support onto the hardware vendors, rather than use Linux’ model of having the kernel developers maintain them.
That’s fair. I guess when they mentioned they were building a PC I assumed it was relatively recent hardware. But I’ve been there when you can’t get or find drivers, or Windows tells you the old drivers aren’t compatible with newer OS’ and things like that.
OP is just wanting to shit on Windows because this is a Linux community.
100%
Lot of problems with the directions windows has gone or is going (cortana finally gone), but people need to chill if they think the OS is unusable or something.
Anecdotally I’m hoping SteamOS continues to progress how it has so there are even more reasons to not depend on Windows.
Yo I forgot about SteamOS! I need to check in on that, thanks for reminding me!
Yes. I have done so many installs of Windows 10 LTSC in the last few years and even on HDD it doesn’t take that much time.
This is a legit troll post. Despite Linux being better in some aspects, Windows totally steamrolls Linux on being easy to install.
Heck W10 LTSC has been super smooth and stable for me for the past 2 years on my work machine which I tend to use more than my Personal Laptop which runs Manjaro.
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I have a hard time believing you are a daily linux user
ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.
Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.
Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.
Sounds like a skill issue on your behalf.
Nice bait I guess. Windows may have bad things, but I have no idea what you’re talking about here
it feels like i’m still in /g/ with these types of posts
you went on a tirade about “windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best” without giving us any relevant information to help you with your “issue”, other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should’ve told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.
also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows “just works”. it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it’s that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you’re fucking up
This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.
I want to preface this with noting that I 99% agree with you on this, but to be fair Windows “just works” right up until it doesn’t.
What got me off Windows was how frequently all the UWP-powered system apps (like Screenshot Tool, Calculator, etc.) and even core stuff like Explorer would just have some key functionality just break randomly.
Not implying that programs on Linux don’t also just randomly shit themselves, but to pretend that Windows just works is a bit silly.
Windows has it’s serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.
Sounds like the problem was between the keyboard and chair.
These “Windows bad” posts are the worst thing in the Linux community. I run Windows on my desktop because Games are just far easier and usually run better, and Windows works perfectly fine.
How the fuck does anybody have trouble running Windows these days?
Yeah, it’s a fricken nightmare… Windows is ok in a well managed corporate setup where all the crap is uninstalled
I bought a laptop recently which came with Windows. I was going to setup dual boot because I need Office365 for work… but in the end I just gave up, deleted windows and installed Ubuntu.
I hear lots of people used to using Windows saying “I tried Linux and couldn’t get anything to work”… it’s not that I don’t believe them, but I really struggle to understand it. Windows is so much worse!
I tend to get the kind of Linux issues nobody believes.
Currently my installation “works” but none of the text mode boot up stuff displays at all so I have to dig out a spare screen if it gets stuck there.
Another screen I could never get the display scaling to work no matter what I did - I tried swapping cables, editing the resolution manually, different drivers, different distros, everything I could think of but it would always output 640x480 native pixels unscaled as a tiny square in the middle of the screen.Windows gives me issues but it usually just works with every screen+gpu combination.
What graphics card do you use, and also what kind of cable? Sometimes when using dvi in hdmi compat mode it cannot read the displays information and defaults to rendering with basic vesa drivers, or just defaulting to the smallest size to at least make sure that you have a picture
No text mode is HDMI with a 3070, the monitor does have HDMI compatibility in the options but it’s off.
The no scaling was displayport, but AMD RX 5700 to a GSync display so that might have been the issue because it did actually work fine with NVIDIA cards.The no text mode could very well be a nvidia issue, I gave up on using their cards some time ago when Wayland came out and nvidia was slow as hell on the uptake. Nvidia cards in general have more wacky bugs outside of the normal gui environments they were designed for. I had a 1050ti that would only display text mode in 320x240 mode with the proprietary drivers, and then would only display on one screen with the open sauce ones. Overall after switching to AMD I havent had any driver bugs besides the ones related to ryzen APUs locking up when switching power states, and that’s been resolved for a little over a month. But I do understand why NVIDIA is the preferred choice for a lot, the performance difference is very real
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It’s a completely different set of problems with both systems. Problems with Linux are usually related to missing drivers, or the whole mess with having 40 kinds of software stores (and it’s 2023 and you still can’t update stuff like discord without running a command on the terminal).
Problems with windows are usually things like “if I join a call my phones stop playing stereo music”, or “there’s 50 different programs launching on system startup and it takes 5 minutes to even display my wallpaper”.
Folks get used to one of them eventually but when switching to the other all they think of is “I didn’t have to deal with this sort of thing there”
Is that a thing still? The last 3 companies I’ve worked for didn’t even remove the Xbox apps from windows. The most I’ve seen is disabling the windows store so installing Microsoft terminal and WSL becomes more difficult.
Problem is that without the appropriate GPOs being setup, Microsoft will keep reinstalling the Xbox shit. And they keep changing how it happens so the GPOs need fixed every 6 months or so. It’s quite annoying, easier to just set one of my AV suites to attack and quarantine any games as malware and alert my team so we can have a talk with someone’s manager when they try to download destiny2.
Laypeople can and do have problems on Linux, sometimes due to defects or deficiencies, other times of their own making. For people beyond layfolk however, Linux is infinitely easier to troubleshoot and manage. I just came off such a troubleshooting spree I finished on my new corp Ubuntu workstation that would randomly go black screen and wouldn’t recover without a reset. Without information on the web, I was able to track down the culprit and come up with a workaround. If that happened to me on Windows:
Why, were you too stupid to configure dual boot? I don’t imagine you’re having a better time with Linux. This is not hard stuff.
Definitely a skill issue at play here.
I’m upvoting this because it’s hilarious, but on a serious note, installing windows is so easy my granny could do it.
The only thing, and I assume that’s where you struggled, is sometimes the formatting of the hd doesn’t want to work. In that case, a quick google will help you out, but also just format it quickly with diskpart and continue the installation.
