This week was full of major feature work and UI polishing, in addition to a lot of bug-fixing! I'm pretty sure everyone will find something to be excited about here:
KDE has never been stable for me. I can find a bug within 10 minutes if I search properly. On the other hand, GNOME is stable for me as long as I don’t use sus extensions.
EDIT: just create a very wide vertical panel and try to move a clock widget in and out of it. Sometimes it’ll just disappear and often it will crash Plasma.
Gnome likes to remove important APIs from time to time which leads to extensions being broken for an awfull long time after an update and also has all sorts of issues with QT apps, simply because Gnome devs do not want to bother with things they consider not important.
the greeter only accepts my password on the secondary monitor
the compositor shuts down whenever something uses the GPU even though the setting is off
my primary desktop randomly shunts itself to the right, plopping on top of the desktop on the secondary display and leaving a big black void on half my primary until plasmashell is restarted
my panels keep collapsing their content down to the width of a single pixel until i resize them
Wayland just crashloops and is completely unusable (no, i don’t have an nvidia card)
i still can’t get the acrylic transparency to work :(
and what’s fun about this is, the issues are so intermittent and random that i never know what i’m going to get on a given day!
I really appreciate the work and time the volunteer devs put in, but everytime I try KDE I have to give up because of some workflow breaking bug. Window rules disappearing into thin air, context menu’s not rendering properly, power management not consistent, widget search freezing, random crashes. the list goes on. This has been the case with every major KDE release I tried and yes I have reported my fair share of bugs but it seems the priority lies with adding new features instead of fixing old ones which is a shame imo.
A panel that wraps content is sized to one icon when logging in for the first time
Plasma Shell occasionally crashes and restarts
But then, I’m not running a stock plasma, I have a few add-ons compiled from source and a few widgets downloaded from the get new things. One of those could be causing the crash but I haven’t proved that yet. I’m fairly sure the panel is a plasma bug.
Edit: Oh and sorting pinned icons in the icons only taskbar is a real pain in wayland.
Edit 2: It seems the sorting has been fixed since I last did it and I haven’t had the crash since the last plasma update
Oh that’s an actually insightful answer! Thank you!
I don’t really have any issue with KDE, I’ve actually barely used it at all, I was merely trolling.
It’s juste the “a lot of functionality at the expense of simplicity “ that doesn’t speaks to me in general.
I understand the criticism against GNOME, however I got to really appreciate the effort they are putting in simplicity and integration. Once you get used to do things “the gnome way” , it’s really comfortable imo. I guess the same goes for any DE or WM.
I use Aeon btw, so of course I’m all in for using vanilla gnome!
I daily drive Plasma 6 Wayland on Archlinux based distro (EndeavourOS). Its the most stable KDE I have ever used. Before that I was using since Plasma 5 X11 on same distro and switched to Wayland when 6 became available. Unless you have some issues that are specific to your setup, it works surprisingly well. I even use an auto tiler addon and added a second monitor (ok the monitor is since today :D).
All in all, its stable after the 2 big updates that focused on stability since 6 launched.
KDE always gets more stable after a lot of minor updater. But it can’t be completely stable and then big updates ruin everything anyways. KDE has a ridiculous update model for a serious project. There’s not enough testing.
Is decent stability included? I very much doubt so.
KDE is rock solid on my device, unlike Gnome. What do you mean by that exactly?
KDE has never been stable for me. I can find a bug within 10 minutes if I search properly. On the other hand, GNOME is stable for me as long as I don’t use sus extensions.
EDIT: just create a very wide vertical panel and try to move a clock widget in and out of it. Sometimes it’ll just disappear and often it will crash Plasma.
Yes, it has bugs still, specially for widgets and stuff like that. But it’s very stable if you don’t mess around with those things and just use it.
I personally don’t consider it stability at all. I guess everyone has a different definition of it.
GNOME is rock solid on my device, unlike KDE. What do you mean by that exactly?
Gnome likes to remove important APIs from time to time which leads to extensions being broken for an awfull long time after an update and also has all sorts of issues with QT apps, simply because Gnome devs do not want to bother with things they consider not important.
What’s your issue with KDE?
EDIT: Typos.
i can chime in with some actual experience!
my current problems with KDE are
and what’s fun about this is, the issues are so intermittent and random that i never know what i’m going to get on a given day!
I really appreciate the work and time the volunteer devs put in, but everytime I try KDE I have to give up because of some workflow breaking bug. Window rules disappearing into thin air, context menu’s not rendering properly, power management not consistent, widget search freezing, random crashes. the list goes on. This has been the case with every major KDE release I tried and yes I have reported my fair share of bugs but it seems the priority lies with adding new features instead of fixing old ones which is a shame imo.
I also had bugs around window rules to be honest.
the window rules one really fucks me up.
It stopped working at the beginning of the year for me and nobody gave a shit about the bug reports.
Now I have to keep juggling windows and their sizes every day like a caveman.
I only get a couple of problems.
But then, I’m not running a stock plasma, I have a few add-ons compiled from source and a few widgets downloaded from the get new things. One of those could be causing the crash but I haven’t proved that yet. I’m fairly sure the panel is a plasma bug.
Edit: Oh and sorting pinned icons in the icons only taskbar is a real pain in wayland.
Edit 2: It seems the sorting has been fixed since I last did it
and I haven’t had the crash since the last plasma updateOh that’s an actually insightful answer! Thank you!
I don’t really have any issue with KDE, I’ve actually barely used it at all, I was merely trolling. It’s juste the “a lot of functionality at the expense of simplicity “ that doesn’t speaks to me in general. I understand the criticism against GNOME, however I got to really appreciate the effort they are putting in simplicity and integration. Once you get used to do things “the gnome way” , it’s really comfortable imo. I guess the same goes for any DE or WM.
I use Aeon btw, so of course I’m all in for using vanilla gnome!
Yes, it never crashes anymore at all for me. Lots of work went into stability and bug fixes in plasma version 6.
So please don’t try it on Debian stable or something. Use the latest version!
FYI I try it on Arch Linux.
I daily drive Plasma 6 Wayland on Archlinux based distro (EndeavourOS). Its the most stable KDE I have ever used. Before that I was using since Plasma 5 X11 on same distro and switched to Wayland when 6 became available. Unless you have some issues that are specific to your setup, it works surprisingly well. I even use an auto tiler addon and added a second monitor (ok the monitor is since today :D).
All in all, its stable after the 2 big updates that focused on stability since 6 launched.
KDE always gets more stable after a lot of minor updater. But it can’t be completely stable and then big updates ruin everything anyways. KDE has a ridiculous update model for a serious project. There’s not enough testing.
Compared to 5.1x days, it’s much more stable on Arch Linux. I haven’t had issues since 6.2 I think (always on latest)
Good for you and have fun.
It is.