kbin.social was the first thing on the recommended list.

  • lohrun@fediverse.boo
    54·
    1 year ago

    We should recommend people sign up on some of the various kbin instances, listed here: https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list

    My instance only currently has 8 registered users so I know I can take on some more people to help spread the load. People don’t need to sign up for mine specifically though, we just don’t wanna overload kbin.social

    • mintyytea@lemmy.studio
      10·
      1 year ago

      thanks for the list of the kbin instances! Hopefully we can migrate our accounts someday. Joining kbin.social at first has been helpful to me to not have to go through that growing pain of not being able to see many communities/magazines

      • lohrun@fediverse.boo
        5·
        1 year ago

        Yeah no problem! I think that’s the link we should be passing around to people instead of flooding kbin.social (if we can). I’ve tried to populate my instance with all the top popular communities from other instances (including Lemmy) because I know that lack of content is a turn off for instances other than the “main” ones.

        • Mintyytea@kbin.social
          5·
          1 year ago

          I think there needs to be an easier way to see communities/magazines across aggregators because I see the lemmy browse sites for communities won’t show any kbin magazines, which I think will only hurt the point of decentralizing but being able to access all the content in the fediverse.

          I’m not sure if kbin actually suffers the same way, because I’m on kbin.social which I’m guessing just already has all the current lemmy communities added. But if there’s a new lemmy community, and no one added it to kbin.social (how would they find out?) then no one will find out if this lemmy community blows up and becomes really popular right?

          • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
            3·
            1 year ago

            I see the lemmy browse sites for communities won’t show any kbin magazines

            What do you mean? I’m on lemmy.world and I’m able to see kbin magazines like this one in the “Communities” list.

            • Mintyytea@kbin.social
              2·
              1 year ago

              oh, maybe it’s cuz I’m on a less populated server for lemmy. I’m on lemmy.studio and it’s been good, but it’s actually really hard to know about any non-lemmy communities. I believe you can only search up “Redditmigration” on lemmy.world since someone already did the initial work to subscribe to it. On lemmy.studio, most of even the lemmy communities aren’t on there yet, but at least the lemmy browser will let you see what’s out there, so you can know to do the work to be the first to subscribe to it on that less populated server. However, there would be no way to know about the kbin communities if all I’m looking at is that lemmy browser

              I’m guessing kbin would have the same issue( but im on a popular server there, kbin.social, so I can’t confirm. Everything here, like you has been searchable for me probably cuz it’s big so people have already subscribed)

      • FaceDeer@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        I’m somewhat of a greybeard, I joined Kbin in the old times when there was only kbin.social. A whole week ago. Looking forward to account migration too, just for load-balancing.

      • lohrun@fediverse.boo
        9·
        1 year ago

        On average, it looks to be less than 2gb of ram at the moment. CPU and RAM usage obviously will go up as I have more users, but it’s not bad at all at the moment. I’ve been pleasantly surprised tbh. I am also completely prepared to scale the server up if I get more users on my instance.

        Edit: just a follow up, looks like I can scale my instance to a maximum two ways,
        “cpu optimized” up to 48 vCPU and 96gb of ram
        “Memory optimized” up to 32 vCPU and 256gb of ram

        I’m a long way off of the max though now, my server is only 2 vCPU and 4gb memory for now

        • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
          4·
          1 year ago

          I’m running a lemmy instance and using about 700mb, up from 500mb before I had any users (though I have maybe a dozen active users lmao)

          But I’m not using much CPU at all though. 5% average on a 2core VPS VM. 4 gigs as well. I can scale up a bit and still afford it personally. After that Ill have to ask for donations, and if not enough stop registration.

          • lohrun@fediverse.boo
            1·
            1 year ago

            The scaling is from my cloud provider, hopefully I won’t have to scale up to the max (looks like it’d be like $1300/mo)

            700mb of ram isn’t bad at all. Yeah I’m using like 30% cpu on a 2 core right now. Kbin definitely uses more resources than lemmy but I think it has a lot more going on in the tech stack

              • lohrun@fediverse.boo
                0·
                1 year ago

                Yeah if my instance got busy enough that would be something to definitely consider. I’m using DigitalOcean over something like AWS as well. I wouldn’t want to run it out of my home off of my own network though which is why VPS providers are nice (plus I have all my DNS rules set up through it)

        • stevecrox@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          Looking at the recent Docker Compose commits, kbin should scale horizontally until it hits limits of postgres.

          Its a really good candidate for kubernetes, if you deploy on AWS/Azure and use AKS/EKS with Azure Database/RDS you will be able to flexibly scale far beyond those limits.

          I have been meaning to learn Helm for ages. This seems a good excuse.

    • Mintyytea@kbin.social
      5·
      1 year ago

      okay the only thing is, I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to keep making instance names that don’t start with kbin.___ because then if kbin/lemmy really do take off, it would be so hard to google search for them. You can’t do the site:kbin.* search if those instances with different names make magazines/communities and you can’t find them with that google filter

      • lohrun@fediverse.boo
        0·
        1 year ago

        I don’t necessarily disagree, I don’t see it happening though unfortunately. The whole idea with federation is for people to make their own instances or to fork the software from the original so they can do their thing. The whole idea being “freedom to do what you want.” Telling people what to name their websites/instances likely won’t fly with the instances owners

        • Mintyytea@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          that’s fair, since the instance owners are hosting for us. The only thing is, I feel like the users might not know about this. I didn’t really think about it until a little later that oh yeah, there is no [search for something “fediverse”] google search, and we’re encouraged to join new instances and for the most part think of them as just servers to build the fediverse. I know I shouldn’t try to box the fediverse ideas like reddit, but I am finding it frustrating that the decentralization is having these cons.

          • lohrun@fediverse.boo
            2·
            1 year ago

            I think we just need more tools to help with that. Like website to show all communities across all kbin and Lemmy instances or a place that we can advertise instances for new users. The way things currently are certainly makes it difficult for discoverability (even for experienced fediverse users it can be difficult to discover new stuff, you don’t know what you don’t know)

            • Mintyytea@kbin.social
              1·
              1 year ago

              I do see them adding a page to see everything, and it definitely could help new users find communities

      • lohrun@fediverse.boo
        2·
        1 year ago

        They are two different types of software that can access the fediverse. Check out lemmy.ml and kbin.social for instance to see the differences. They can both talk to one another and see posts from each type of software. (Kbin can also see posts from mastodon which is kind of like Twitter) I’d say check both out and see what interface you like better. Since they both can share posts with one another you really aren’t missing much by choosing one over the other.

  • Eggyhead@kbin.social
    53·
    1 year ago

    I will be thrilled if we end up with some experienced Reddit mods running communities or instances of their own.

    • subignition@kbin.social
      7·
      1 year ago

      It will be an interesting time for sure. I hope it can work out in a way that skilled moderators can be compensated for their efforts. It seems like donation-supported instances for niche communities isn’t too unrealistic right now, though that doesn’t solve the volunteer labor problem. Cleverer things will probably become possible as the technology improves.

        • subignition@kbin.social
          3·
          1 year ago

          Well it’s certainly a question of scale. I’ve seen some successful indie projects where the hosting costs are met by donations, but that’s usually when the admin/dev(s) are donating their labor. I struggle to imagine a community that could crowdfund enough for a few reasonable salaries on top of hosting costs.

          Though my imagination isn’t particularly strong, so I would be delighted if such a thing came to be!

        • LostCause@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          The last I want after all this is corporations to come and try to take over or spread ads and marketing everywhere. Sure, it will probably happen anyway, but I‘m gonna go to some instance that defederates from them.

    • Shin@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      Instance based communities sound really interesting until it comes to the matter of an instance needing to be shut down. I hope the portability factor of Lemmy gets better, because that’s an easy way to lose tons of valuable informarion.

      • subignition@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        The information won’t necessarily be lost, because most/all? the instances that were previously federated with the shut-down instance should have cached copies of its activity. Not sure on what scale, or how far back, content caching will be, but I imagine admins have (or should have) the ability to configure that sort of thing

        Now, from the perspective of a user looking to migrate to a new platform, not being able to “take it with you” is a valid concern. Mastodon seems to have account export nailed down, but lemmy/kbin are still pretty new and might need time to implement something like this

    • Mereo@lemmy.world
      9·
      1 year ago

      Exactly. Capitalist platforms will all suffer from enshitification. They will eventually have to make money, and users are products. Their shareholders will eventually force the platforms to extract money from their users.

      • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de
        0·
        1 year ago

        What do you mean, the users have already doing unpaid work for the platforms from the start. The shareholders simply take that for granted and think they can fuck them over and take twice as much value from them.

        • Mereo@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          When we are talking about enshittification, we’re talking about these stages:

          • Initial Stage: When a platform starts, it needs users, so it makes itself valuable to users. It provides services that are beneficial to the users, attracting them to the platform.

          • Second Stage: Once the platform has a substantial user base, it starts to abuse its users to make things better for its business customers. It starts prioritizing its business needs over the needs of the users.

          • Final Stage: Finally, the platform starts to abuse its business customers to claw back all the value for itself. It starts taking a larger share of the value that passes between the users and the business customers.

          That is, Reddit made it attractive for users to come and write content, and moderators worked for free, and Reddit loved that because they didn’t have to pay them. But lo and behold, they have to answer to their shareholders, so they came up with these restrictions to squeeze more money out of users and moderators.

          • NotTheOnlyGamer@kbin.social
            3·
            1 year ago

            And right now, because of Reddit entering the final (Digg v4) stage, the fediverse (Mastodon, Lemmy, & KBin) will shortly be entering the second stage. Keep the ad blockers and all shields up, be ready for brand deals, and “sponsored” federation.

              • NotTheOnlyGamer@kbin.social
                1·
                1 year ago

                Too bad. Reddit’s death has made the enshittification of the fediverse inevitable, just as Digg’s death made Reddit’s situation inevitable. But history has a habit of accelerating. As we feed more advanced data into the system, it advances faster. We’re seeing that now, up close, with AI. But I think it’s been the case for all of human history - maybe all of history, period. So while it took, what, 10 years, maybe, for Reddit to transition from the second stage to the final, I wouldn’t expect it to take more than 2 years for the fediverse as a whole. I have ideas about how it will happen, but I refuse to make those ideas freely accessible.

                • DarkwingDuck@sh.itjust.works
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  AI will figure them out, don’t you worry.

                  If it needs to take down the fediverse as a competitor media, it’ll figure out a way to manipulate people into it.

                • Phil@lemmy.world
                  0·
                  1 year ago

                  Not sure you are right here, I think that decentralized network which, importantly, allows instances to choose interconnections, will always adapt if no limit is put on the number of instances, and of course once the genie is out of the bottle … Both Digg and Reddit were/are able to be monetized , which is very difficult to do with the decentralized model as there is nothing unique to sell, I think this will be something even large organizations will find it impossible to work with to work with IMO. Limiting access is the only real way to monetize where that is advertisers or users or both. How can you limit access if the model is user created content and you do not control access?

  • LostCause@kbin.social
    22·
    1 year ago

    Awesome, more users is good!

    Kbin is so nice and seems more stable than lemmy. I spent all of yesterday on a lemmy account with a lot of loading errors and all of today on kbin and not a single error! Well done to the devs.

    • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.org
      8·
      1 year ago

      That’s excellent to hear! I’ve been following the progress of KBin closely. The big thing I’m waiting for is mobile apps

    • Captain Apathetic@lemmy.captainapathetic.cfd
      3·
      1 year ago

      Part of it is that Lemmy instances are dealing with a major influx of new users and it’s causing server issues. I decided to avoid that and the defederation drama and fired up my own instance. I’m kind of curious if I could use another server to run a kbin instance and just have it be kbin.captainapathetic.cfd instead, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work, considering doing it for Mastodon too.

      • LostCause@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        Yeah understandable, I‘ll give the lemmy account another try when this maybe calms down a bit. Which, considering the big Reddit App death is happening on the 30th may be a while lol.

        Own instance is a cool idea to deal with that as well, since for one user even a raspberry pi should be enough or so I have heard, maybe I‘ll try it if I get bored.

        • Captain Apathetic@lemmy.captainapathetic.cfd
          2·
          1 year ago

          yea really either kbin or lemmy is fine, to me it seems more about what works best for you, hell some people are fine with using mastodon and just dealing with the jank of reading threaded posts there because they only want to follow a few communities. Also yea I’m using a cheap VPS with 2 vCPUs, 2GB RAM, and 40GB SSD storage and it is just fine for a single user instance

          • exscape@kbin.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            I’m pretty sure I read that kbin.social is running on 2 vCPUs and 4 GB RAM so you should be extremely fine with that as a single user!

  • kadu@lemmy.world
    11·
    1 year ago

    Took them a million years, but finally. Many of them weren’t quite happy with the idea of migrating to platforms where they aren’t the main moderators anymore.

    Though (well, I’m biased) I’d say recommending Lemmy over Kbin at the moment would be better, given the number of fully working instances

    • JonEFive@kbin.social
      8·
      1 year ago

      Lots of people take issue with the political leanings of the Lemmy developers which may be why it’s lower on the list, although I agree that it is more established.

      In any case, that’s the beauty of the fediverse. Create an account on both, or choose just one and cross-subscribe to communities you like.

      • kadu@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        I won’t dive deeper into this issue not because I’m against the debate, but because I made it my personal goal on Lemmy to avoid such topics.

        But I’ll say this: people are happily using software from the GNU foundation and they do not keep repeatedly bringing up the political opinions of the founder. So to me, this looks like a very flawed and one sided argument.

        Lemmy is got, today, instances that are in direct opposition to every single worldview of it’s founders - and they can’t do anything to control that. Great! That’s how it should be.

        • eric5949@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 year ago

          It’s a lot harder to explain and weaponize stallmans beliefs than it is to just say “communists made Lemmy”

        • MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          I’m in agreement. The nature of the platform allows for people to organize as they see fit and there’s nothing inherently evil in the code. Sure, it is set up sort of like communism, but it’s decentralized in a way where it is more solely about the will of the people instead of one authority.

        • JonEFive@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          To be fair, I tend to agree with you. I don’t think the software itself has anything to do with their political ideologies since it really isn’t a commercial endeavor. I was just identifying it as a common objection that I read.

          And you’re absolutely right, people are free to choose an independent instance or start their own if they have any concerns about the owner of an instance or how it is moderated. And after all, isn’t that what this is all about?

      • scrollbars@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        1 year ago

        Yup, I prefer lemmy myself but both kbin and lemmy interoperate with each other just fine. Pick either! It’s still better than sticking around on reddit.

    • derf82@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I started a bourbon community, and I would turn it over to the /r/bourbon mods immediately. I suspect many feel the same way that have been creating communities.

  • Evehn@kbin.social
    8·
    1 year ago

    Really happy about this, hope it truly happens. Finally a social in the true meaning of the word.

  • TGRush@forum.fail
    7·
    1 year ago

    I’d say this is for the best of us.

    Even the existing moderators have started to acknowledge that Reddit is no longer a platform for the people, and it was just a way for Spez to make money all along, even saying that the years of content can be marketed and sold.